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Muir Valley Support

Postby Artsay » Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:57 pm

Over the past couple of years, we've listened to the Webers ask for more financial support for Muir on this website. We have watched signs go up on trails in Muir asking for donations, seen donation boxes put up in the parking area, read "Donations Needed to Keep Muir Valley Open" banners on the Muir Valley Website...yet the needed response from climbers simply hasn't been seen.

This is going to change and we are going to make it happen. YOU are going to make it happen.

Over the next few months, there will be growing awareness for Muir spread both far and near with fundraisers to demonstrate to the Webers that we, the climbing community, value Muir Valley and take responsibility for supporting it at an individual level. However, the big task at hand will be to guide the Webers through our response as they build the future plan for Muir.

If what you see in your future has a Muir Valley in it, then please show your support by making a financial contribution today. Even if you don't climb much at Muir, losing Muir will affect the future of climbing at the Red River Gorge. An estimated 30,000 climbers visited Muir in 2011. With Muir gone, the PMRP and other areas will need to absorb these visiting climbers. Think about it.

Many thanks to Climbing Magazine and all the other climbing news sites and magazines that are supporting this effort. Stay tuned for more news releases in the near future and please help spread the word. http://www.urbanclimbermag.com/411/news ... hreatened/

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Re: Muir Valley Support

Postby dustonian » Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:20 pm

Great points Michelle, thank you for working on this!!
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Re: Muir Valley Support

Postby One-Fall » Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:43 pm

You will have my support. Roughly when should we be looking for the first official fundraiser?
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Re: Muir Valley Support

Postby dustonian » Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:07 pm

I still think there should be a parking fee.
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Re: Muir Valley Support

Postby Liz_Weber » Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:43 pm

Thank you, Michelle. Rick and I really appreciate your having taken up this cause for Muir. We would like to stress that when you say "...needed response from climbers simply hasn't been seen" that doesn't apply to all climbers. Although the average donation per climber has been pennies per visit, many climbers have been very generous with their donations and very supportive of Muir Valley.

We recognize that there are some who just can't afford to donate, and we don't want anyone to feel that they are not welcome at Muir.

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Re: Muir Valley Support

Postby stix » Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:56 pm

let's be clear, because i'm getting very different tones from different sources. liz...i'm sure you and rick would appreciate more donations, i know i would. this goes without saying. as the main statement of your post, however, this is pretty vague. as a landowner, i feel you have the right to be vague, but with an article running online for urban climber saying that muir valley is in danger of closing it seems something a little more tangible or to-the-point is appropriate. clearly "appreciating" donations hasn't gotten the job done in the past.

liz, would you merely "appreciate" more donations or are you going to close Muir Valley to the public if you don't see more? and if so do you have anything more concrete in mind?
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Re: Muir Valley Support

Postby kafish2 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:37 pm

Thanks Michelle for taking up this task and for holding us to task. Just trying to think of effective ways to spread the word/ put opportunities to donate in climbers face more often. Anyways that a banner stating "Donate to Muir Valley" could be placed when a route or crag for the area looked up in the online guide? I think this may be more of a question for Ray but figured it might be a good way to keep the donation aspect more top of mind for people browsing the online guide. Could even do something similar for The RRGCC on the PMRP routes/crags. I know there is already a banner but perhaps have the words Donate or something there. Or maybe a little picture like there was for the RRGCC posters a few years back, implying donate or we may lose access. Just brainstorming and not sure if you all think this is a good idea or if it is feasable for you all (Ray) to work into the site. Thanks again for what I know is going to be a lot of work and planning you will be putting into this.
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Re: Muir Valley Support

Postby clif » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:46 pm

This seems to be about the future.. as a potential investor I need facts about the long term plan. 20 years? If, as I believe has been established, the average expenses are $70,000 to $90,000 per year, I think, not that I am 'entitled' to transparency or to climb on private property, a plan I could support would require an itemized expense budget and legacy plans.

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Re: Muir Valley Support

Postby bentley » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:53 pm

@ cliff. Are your figures accurate on the Miur valley annual maintance costs to the tune of $70,000-$90,000? I recall those figures being posted in the past. Just need a refresher.
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Re: Muir Valley Support

Postby clif » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:56 pm

hey

yeah i know, transparency is a problem. i'm inclined to think that is a partial source of the problem.
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Re: Muir Valley Support

Postby ted » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:02 pm

I appreciate what the webers have done and have enjoyed climbing there in the past, and contributed accordingly. So... I dont want to sound like a dick head but i am simply inquiring.Why and How does the valley continue to grow if current expenses cant be met? Why not stop development? Theres stuff down there ive yet to get on and ive been going to the Red for 4 years. Safety is always at the top of my list, ask any of my partners, but i yet dont understand why the convenience of two way radios(along with a full aid station) should be maintained. The expansion of the parking lot only invites more visitors, so why do this if muir valley is already projecting that it cant meet the demands financially? Bridges? If im wanting to climb that bad, ill cross the creek come hell or high water. There is alot of cost that can be cut via luxury to the climber. Once again, thank you Weber's for allowing access to your property. But, (and im only speaking for a few local climbers) I would rather enjoy a minimalist Muir rather that a no Muir
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Re: Muir Valley Support

Postby climb2core » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:08 pm

I drop some cash in the box when I visit, but I am curious what type of cash it would take to secure the future of Muir indefinitely... I too recall $80k per year for just maintaining it. Not realistic to sustain that type of cash infusion. What is the long term plan for Muir?
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Re: Muir Valley Support

Postby bentley » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:35 pm

And that I believe is the point of the article. Well, I hope that's the point. Future sustainable climbing management plan.
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Re: Muir Valley Support

Postby Liz_Weber » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:41 pm

OK stix, I agree. Let’s be clear. Rick and I did NOT threaten to close Muir. We have put considerable personal resources and a lot of determination into KEEPING MUIR OPEN, and we intend to continue doing so.

I cannot control the different tones you are getting from different sources, because I did not write the Urban Climber Article. I do not know the author, and neither Rick nor I have to our knowledge ever spoken to anyone from Urban Climber.

Muir Valley is NOT in danger of closing in the foreseeable future. If climbers chose not to donate, we will take that as a lack of interest in having Muir Valley as a long term climbing resource.

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Re: Muir Valley Support

Postby clif » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:44 pm

i think that is an unfortunate interpretation
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