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climber decks, kills dog?

Postby sendit » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:43 am

Heard someone decked ~50 ft Sunday after blowing the second to last bolt on a route and landed on the belayers dog killing the dog instantly.
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Re: climber decks, kills dog?

Postby Saxman » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:03 pm

From a person who was there and witnessed it. A large group was at Military with music playing, possibly loud enough to make communication between climber and belayer difficult. Climber was getting into the upper knee bar on Reliquary when he fell. The climber landed on the belayer's dog killing it instantly. The belayer was holding the gri gri in her right hand with fingers over the cam and said she didn't know how it could have happened. Worse, she said this was the third time it has happened to her. Things like this keep reminding me why I don't go to busy crags on the weekends.
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Re: climber decks, kills dog?

Postby allah » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:08 pm

that's so sad to hear about the dog.... is the climber okay?
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Re: climber decks, kills dog?

Postby Climbingrocks » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:15 pm

This is happening already! Being safe really doesn't seem that hard.

Was it a stereo or some flip flop wearing college douche bag with a guitar? Both are fucking awful and appearing more and more.

Poor dog.
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Re: climber decks, kills dog?

Postby michaelarmand » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:33 pm

Maybe radios instead of dogs should be banned at some crags?

I don't want to make any sort of judgement about these folks or anyone else. But can we please leave our electronics in the car? Is it too much to get away Lady Gaga and Facebook for a few hours?

Maybe at Rocktoberfest we can have an "educational" distracted belaying contest. We start with loud music, add a dog trying to eat food out of your pack, have people launch water baloons at the belayer...final challenge is the yellow jacket attack :evil: Drop the 150 lb dummy and you lose!
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Re: climber decks, kills dog?

Postby pkananen » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:38 pm

The good news is that with every accident, climbers are becoming more educated. The bad news is that also means people (or dogs?) are getting hurt or killed.
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Re: climber decks, kills dog?

Postby tutugirl » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:40 pm

It could have been a child...
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Re: climber decks, kills dog?

Postby Andrew » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:47 pm

or an adult. I was sitting on the ground while Art was climbing, he fell and I looked up and realized that if he would have not been caught I would have been crushed. How often do we sit under climbers.
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Re: climber decks, kills dog?

Postby Andrew » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:49 pm

Do we know that the people who were playing loud music were the people who had the accident. They could have been separate groups.
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Re: climber decks, kills dog?

Postby captain static » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:05 pm

There will be a Leave No Trace aspect of Rocktoberfest. Please note the second to the last LNT climbing guideline.

USFS/Daniel Boone National Forest - Guidelines for Low Impact Climbing wrote:Plan ahead and prepare

■Find out what the local rules and regulations are before climbing.
■Intentionally disperse your activity by selecting more remote areas; avoid the most popular crags.
■Limit your group size to no more than 4-6 climbers.
■Know whose land you are climbing on and what rules govern the property.
■Camp and travel on durable surfaces. Follow established trails to reach the rock.
■Where no trails exist, spread out on durable ground, such as rock or gravel to avoid creating new paths.
■Choose a campsite at least 300 feet from water, trails, clifflines, and rock shelters.
■Do not camp under rock shelters or at the base of climbs.
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■Please pick up trash when you find it. All food wastes, including fruit cores and peels, should be carried out.
■Discarded tape and cigarette butts are unsightly. Bring a small plastic bag in your pack for trash and pack it out.
■Properly dispose of what you can't pack out. Use toilets where available.
■If toilets aren’t available, urinate away from vegetation, climbing routes, streams and trails.
■Dispose of solid human waste in a "cathole" at least 200 feet away from trails, the bases of climbs, water sources, or campsites; carry your own trowel for this reason.
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■Chipping or creating new holds is not acceptable.
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■Remember you are in the forest, not in a gym; keep the noise level within reason--from the volume of your stereo to the words you let fly when you fail on that red-point attempt.
■Keep your dog restrained on at least a 6-foot leash.

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Re: climber decks, kills dog?

Postby milspecmark » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:06 pm

That is unfortunate. I would be interested to know more about how the gri gri failed.
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Re: climber decks, kills dog?

Postby jrathfon » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:12 pm

Perhaps there should actually be a serious message, presented in some entertaining yet serious way about the common themes in the red this year:

1. Belaying safety
2. Crag etiquette
3. How to poop (or rather how NOT to poop on a trail or under a climb)
4. Fixed equipment and wear (aluminum biners, rings, webbing, etc)

Video presentation? A skit between high profile things (music, movie) Saturday night at Rocktoberfest? Or more serious: a moment of silence?
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Re: climber decks, kills dog?

Postby rastaman » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:53 pm

I was belaying a climber on Tissue Tiger when this accident happened. I was with my wife, daughter, friend and his daughter. We were not with the with the climber who fell. There were 7-8 other people around the base of the twelve wall not including us. It was my impression that they were all together (so Andrew, I do believe the people playing the music were with the climber that fell). Saxman nailed the jist of the accident. I'll state what I saw. One of the climbers involved in the accident is welcome to confirm or deny my observations. I was getting ready to lower my climber from Tissue and saw the climber on Reliquary falling out of the corner of my eye. I looked over just in time to see him hit the ground. He fell near the last bolt (bolt at the last good kneebar?). He hit feet first collapsed to the ground. I then glanced at the belayer...it appeared she had her right hand over the gri preventing it from locking. I didn't see the gri-gri myself, but heard someone state that it was fed properly. From what I observed, I believe that the reason for the groundfall was belayer negligence. I'm sorry if the belayer reads this and is offended and again, if I am wrong, please speak up. I initially planned to keep my comments to myself, but believe this can be a learning experience for everyone. Pay attention people! Climbing is real! I don't enjoy music at the crag, but it shouldn't matter. Crags are becoming more crowded and distractions occur. Music, dogs, kids, cats, bears, what the fuck ever...pay attention to the cllimber! Their life is in your hands! And don't pick up a belay device if you don't have proper training. Experienced climbers make sure your belayer knows what they are doing. All this stuff has been said many times, but it can't hurt to say it again.

When we left the climber was sitting up, conducting conscious conversation and appeared to be okay. I hope he is. RIP little dog.
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Re: climber decks, kills dog?

Postby DHB » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:03 pm

Hard to imagine someone climbing 12s wouldn't know how to operate a grigri. Then again, you don't have to climb well (or at all) to belay.
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Re: climber decks, kills dog?

Postby bcombs » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:12 pm

No shortage of people in gyms who boulder exponentially harder than what it takes to climb 5.12 at the Red. It doesn't mean they are aware of the requisite skills to sport climb outside.
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