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by **512OW** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:36 pm

Don't know. Take it up with Dave Graham, Mike Doyle, Daniel Woods, and Joe Kinder.

Just sounds to me like the original FA shoulda been smarter.

by **Cinnamon** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:59 pm

512OW wrote:Don't know. Take it up with Dave Graham, Mike Doyle, Daniel Woods, and Joe Kinder.

Just sounds to me like the original FA shoulda been smarter.

Dont you think you are acting a little self-important by saying that? I mean the guy climbs 9a, he comes to the Red for a short trip and crushes the hardest project in the area, in a bold style risking a ground fall. You think he "shoulda been smarter"? Who are you to say that?

by **512OW** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:14 pm

What he did was crush the hardest project in the area, using harder beta, and risking injury when he didn't need to.

My hat is off to him, but subsequent ascents have been done the smarter way. Isn't that what working a route is about... finding the path of least resistance?

by **Spragwa** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:15 pm

He's kind of like the amazing kreskin only he looks backwards and is frequently wrong. Still, he's all ours and we love him.

by **512OW** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:16 pm

Spragwa wrote:He's kind of like the amazing kreskin only he looks backwards and is frequently wrong. Still, he's all ours and we love him.

Have I mentioned lately that I love you too?

by **allah** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:11 pm

little jealous to me

by **automated** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:31 pm

as the numbers get bigger, the minds get smaller. remember the good ol days, when everyone thought the red was naught but overhanging jughauls? welcome to the spray circus, the lamest show on earth.

by **woodchuck008** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:24 pm

Yep. If I'm looking for the simplest path of least reisitance, well then why would I be bolting some godawful overhanging face climb in the first place? I'd be following a line of cracks and pockets that I could protect in the fashion of the good ole' days. TRAD rack, on my back. It's a talent, it's a skill that takes time. Climbers didn't move on from leading 5.7 up to to 5.12+ in a few months from some gym or pre bolted routes. They spent the time, studied the moves, earned their skills. Patience. Enjoy the moment. Drop the numbers game from your climbing needs.

by **512OW** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:23 pm

woodchuck008 wrote:Yep. If I'm looking for the simplest path of least reisitance, well then why would I be bolting some godawful overhanging face climb in the first place? I'd be following a line of cracks and pockets that I could protect in the fashion of the good ole' days. TRAD rack, on my back. It's a talent, it's a skill that takes time. Climbers didn't move on from leading 5.7 up to to 5.12+ in a few months from some gym or pre bolted routes. They spent the time, studied the moves, earned their skills. Patience. Enjoy the moment. Drop the numbers game from your climbing needs.

True, but I went from 5.7 to 5.11 in a few months... and that was in an area that topped out at 5.11+. I can't imagine a strong gym monkey today, with the right mindset, couldn't go from 5.7 to 12+ in a few months if he had the cracks to train on. I mean... 5.12 cracks are trivial compared to 5.13 sport, and gym monkeys do 13 in a few months with regularity....

by **512OW** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:24 pm

automated wrote:as the numbers get bigger, the minds get smaller. remember the good ol days, when everyone thought the red was naught but overhanging jughauls? welcome to the spray circus, the lamest show on earth.

It still is overhanging jughauls, isn't it?

by **Ascentionist** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:19 pm

512OW wrote:
automated wrote:as the numbers get bigger, the minds get smaller. remember the good ol days, when everyone thought the red was naught but overhanging jughauls? welcome to the spray circus, the lamest show on earth.

It still is overhanging jughauls, isn't it?

HEY! What about Yellow Brick Road?!

by **ynot** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:56 pm

full of those darn drunken munchkins

by **TradWanker** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:23 am

Uhhhh....... now I'm lost??!?! Did this all get it's start from just 2 draws?

by **Andrew** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:51 am

supposedly 14 draws.

by **512OW** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:12 pm

Ascentionist wrote:
512OW wrote:
automated wrote:as the numbers get bigger, the minds get smaller. remember the good ol days, when everyone thought the red was naught but overhanging jughauls? welcome to the spray circus, the lamest show on earth.

It still is overhanging jughauls, isn't it?

HEY! What about Yellow Brick Road?!

Oh yeah... chossy slab to overhanging jughaul to vertical jughaul.

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