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Guilty Pleasure

This route is located in the Southern Region at Drive-By Crag

Layback and Groove

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Slick and the 9mm 5.10b (Sport) ***

First Ascent: Kellyn Gorder in 2000
Length: 0ft
Bolts: 9 (report bad bolts/anchors)

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This is the farthest left route on the wall, located about 35 feet left of the bolted seam of Hakuna Mata. Climb over a bulge and up to the anchors in the middle of the face. From the anchors, it is possible to traverse right to a left-facing dihedral and continue to another set of anchors about 40 feet up. This pitch goes at 5.9.
Moves: Technical, bulge
Descent: Rap from anchors
Stays Dry:
Owner: RRGCC

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3.46 stars (87 votes)
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5.10b (69 votes)

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Submitted by: Lil Josh
Date: Mar 10th, 2009

Submitted by: Lil Josh
Date: Mar 10th, 2009

Submitted by: Lil Josh
Date: Mar 10th, 2009

Submitted by: SCIN
Date: Oct 14th, 2006


Power2U said on September 2nd, 2003
Climbs better than it looks.
Sco Bro said on November 2nd, 2004
Generally unnoticed, the sport pitch of this route is quality.
ray said on October 11th, 2006
Great line. Nice little roof to pull over.
merrick said on October 23rd, 2006
well worth the 30 foot walk to it. If this whole crag wasn't so full of amazing lines this one would be considered the classic line at the crag!
Meadows said on November 6th, 2006
This is a really fun route!
rhunt said on November 27th, 2006
really cool route, well worth it.
calvinivlac said on May 11th, 2007
Very nice route, roof section is full of nice pockets, even if you can't see them from below.
Wes said on June 24th, 2007
Cool route! Tricky onsight, esp. for the grade.
krampus said on August 25th, 2008
if this thing gets traffic, it will be a sweet line
Anonymous said on May 26th, 2009
i'z gonna say...good to see the positive comments as when at the crag people avoid this route like it's diseased. transcends awkwardness to become curious and unique.
gripster said on September 8th, 2009
cool route, move fast
Rollo said on April 4th, 2010
Pleasantly suprised by this one. Really fun moves from bottom to top.
dustonian said on July 19th, 2011
nice route
Anonymous said on April 13th, 2012
4-9-2012; very under rated for its quality; should be 4-5 stars. Many different moves (not a jug haul) with some excellent technical moves--the start dihedral; the pocket for the overhang; the technical puzzle after the overhang; our 2nd favorite climb after Fire and Brimstone
dustonian said on June 5th, 2012
Second pitch is really fun.
J-Ru said on June 1st, 2013
Is a 60 meter rope adequate to continue on and descend from the second set of anchors?
dustonian said on June 1st, 2013
Pretty sure it is but don't quote me on that...still want to knot the end
Scorl said on June 16th, 2013
Is the second pitch trad? I didn't see any bolts above the first set of anchors.
Wolf said on June 16th, 2013
Yes, the 2nd pitch is trad.
mourz said on November 16th, 2015
Didn't have a chance to get on it but the party that was showed me the spinner on I think the bolt before the bulge thing. Also said the anchors were pretty worn.
tradosaurus_rex said on March 27th, 2017
Bolts 4, 5, 6, & anchors have been replaced.
StepLEFTskyline said on April 7th, 2017
If I am not mistaken there is a new route just to the right of this one. Felt about the same grade and was a pretty fun climb as well.
Anonymous said on April 7th, 2017
Goddamn another one!?! For the love of god please give this crag a break.
Anonymous said on April 7th, 2017
Are you sure it was a new/different climb? The bolts were just replaced on this one. Maybe you saw new bolts and were confused?
Anonymous said on April 8th, 2017
No, there is definitely a new route to the right of Slick and the 9mm and it is very cool. It is shorter and between "Slick" and "Slut Men" and a 5.10. It was written chalk at the base "10 c/d", I think, when it first went up. Enjoy!
said on December 15th, 2020
As many good warm ups as this wall has, this may be my favorite of the 10's. Hard to beat BB, but this is so good. I was going to trim back the limb thats blocking the traverse to the extension this coming weekend. Anyone have an objection, and/or has this always been in the way? If so, ill leave it be. Anon opinions will not be considered.
DrRockso said on December 15th, 2020
Any inquiries regarding removing vegetation or trees should be sent through Curtis, no reason to ask on here..
Anonymous said on December 15th, 2020
Jaggie just likes to read his own drivel, the guy can't stop posting
shadow.ayala said on December 15th, 2020
It is better to ask for forgiveness than permission. Naked Lunch never got bolted because a small limb was growing into the wall and hiding the line. As long as you know how to make a proper pruning cut, why are you asking permission? Everytime you type something, trolls come swarming. Why is it that you are such a troll magnet? I don't get it.
said on December 15th, 2020
Trolls love fresh meat. Unfortunately for them, they have never been right about a single thing they've pointed out. True hacks. At the very least they could get out of bed, put down the Truly, and walk up to see the lines they're trashing. It's why they can't stand behind their words by signing in, they'd look like the dim witted morons that they truly are. Kloeker, he's just obsessed with me and can't get enough.
DrRockso said on December 15th, 2020
Dude, I've tried giving you developing advice time and time again, how to not get trolled 101. If you want to modify someones property you consult the owner or manager of that property, not anonymous people on the internet. If you want to cut a new trail on Coalition property, consult the Coalition, cut down a tree? Same. For better or worse, pretty soon you'll have to consult the Coalition to bolt a route, in large part because of your antics. You stir up controversy for the sake of stirring up controversy. My advice, stop squeeze jobbing your own lines, I was at Velo when you were bolting a couple weeks ago, starting multiple lines off the same first couple bolts should be avoided. Occasionally it makes sense, 90% of the time it doesn't. Bolting 1 good line will always be better than 2 squeezed mediocre lines.
Anonymous said on December 16th, 2020
True that, especially in Kentucky where there are literally hundreds and hundred of miles of cliff that is higher in quality than Velo... guy just likes to spank it in the whorehouse lol
Anonymous said on December 16th, 2020
he is finally getting the attention, perceived relevance and "fame" he wants. Famous for being an idiot but fame nonetheless.
said on December 16th, 2020
Erik, im not interested in your advice, please keep that shit to yourself. That's my advice to you. You've been a douche bag from day one. I bolt the lines i want to climb, especially if they are side by side, especially if they are both great climbs, and I can save an anchor and a bolt or two at the beginning of a route. I dont give a shit if you like it or not. And no, my antics didn't cause any of the issues that coalition is currently discussing for "route permits". Ironically, it was Ian (sorry bud, but it's true), yourself, and all the anon bitches complaining about shit they literally know nothing about. Dont blame me for peoples' snowflakery. Are you going to be on the chopping task force when people bolt routes, at their expense, for the benefit of the Coalition, when they don't wait for the washed up bureaucrats to make a decision 4 months later? I sent in a huge list of routes and no one ever responded, not even to say "we'll look into them". I think you all forgot how this train got rolling. The coalition is going down the wrong path. Increased traffic means there should be more routes to disperse the crowds. Good luck with the ticket system, hope you wait for all your routes to get approved. Or will you get to approve your own? And the new routes at Velo are the shit. Sorry you dont like cleaning off walls or you could have had them yourself. Complaining about someone spending 13 hrs cleaning and bolting a route is comical. Ill spare you all the world politics rant, but we're all fucked and pretty soon, this will be the last thing on everyone's mind. Good luck out there.
Anonymous said on December 16th, 2020
LOL what a dipshit this Jagg guy is hahaha
said on December 16th, 2020
Fame? Bro, 12 people use this site. Im starting to think it's one fucking moron that doesn't sign in. If not, there's a collection of brain dead idiots that troll the Red and collectively have never added a single post of value, or even a ligit criticism. You haven't been right a SINGLE TIME! If you had, you'd point it out, and ya can't. Just accept that someone outside of your "crew" is developing. I post on this site to share my opinion about a route, and without fail it turns into this. Wastes of life. We'll see how many "locals" are left when this unemployment runs out in a month.
Anonymous said on December 16th, 2020
You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. Half the stuff you said about the Coalition is not true. Maybe you should quit mouthing off on the organization that provides you land to bolt on. Ian didn’t cause any of this route consultation talk, it was 100% you. All of the developers and people inside the Coalition know that. “The Coalition is going down the wrong path.” Come on bro, stop acting like you know shit because you sent Curtis one email. Also more routes doesn’t mean more people spread out. Drive By, Bob, Infirmary, the Lode, Chocolate factory, even part of your precious little Velo crag will always see heavy traffic. Classics remain classic. That will NEVER change. Maybe you’d realize that if you were around longer than 2 years. Sincerely, Anon who climbs more than you, knows more than you, and prefers to keep their identity from somebody who regularly dishes out threats. PS maybe try sending some of the routes you bolt rather than having 7 closed projects.
said on December 16th, 2020
So people who have been around longer own these walls? Or do they own them if they climb more than the next guy? If I was here 6 years earlier, I could simply bolt what I want in peace? I said two things about the Coalition, so which half is wrong? It was people like you that shit themselves and made a big deal out of me bolting a quality line that no one else thought was good. That was the issue... me being an asshole for putting a new line at a wall that you all deemed finished, by literally no authority. Hate to break it to you, theres more there too. I dont give a shit what you or anyone else thinks about the lines I enjoy. What fucking country do you assholes live in? Sure ain't the same one I live in. In 15 years, when I'm the old cranky asshole, remind me to shut the fuck up, just like I'm doing to you all now. STFU. Go climb some rocks. And yeah, my lines will be open for you soon enough, desperate fucking douche. Not that you'll climb them anyways. And no, you don't sign in because you're a dipshit that brings nothing to the table, if you did, you wouldn't be hiding from anyone. I've made more friends because of all this ridiculousness than I've made enemies, so I should actually be thanking you. Thanks.
Jeff said on December 16th, 2020
Thank god for the internet. One day you’ll re-read all this bs mjack, after you’ve grown up a bit , hopefully, and realize you might not have been as smart as you thought. This place has been around much longer than you, and always will be. Please respect the Red like others in the past have.
said on December 16th, 2020
I have nothing but respect for the Red, it's why I donate endless hours to expanding the area. What I don't respect, are people who have never considered my work, and the effort I put into doing things correctly, and well, then jump to conclusions, and then spray fiction all over the internet, in a particular place that has no regard for filtering the truth and deleting bullshit that im then forced to defend. If I didn't, trolls would have you think all sorts of made up horseshit. Sitting back and harassing me, anonymously at that, for doing the same work that countless other people have done before me, and will after, now that's childish. When you all look back and wonder why in the world you acted like a bunch of cucks, hazing me into your douchey frat that I never wanted to be in. Grown Ups? Listen to the Better Climbing Beta Podcast with the Coalition, they specifically say that we all own this land. It's a non profit. I respect our land. They should continue to respect the people that help make our land more valuable. The only thing trolls ever go right, was a couple of memes on the fleeing the scene page, other than that, they've been wrong about everything. So go back, and reimagine everything you've ever heard about me, and realize it's been a rumor mill lie. Funny to think about really. I do squeeze my own lines though, that one is true. Gotta maximize that real estate for future bolters.
said on December 16th, 2020
God damn. Anyone keeping up with this saga? Besides you, Mike?
dustonian said on December 16th, 2020
Agreed Jeff, well put
Anonymous said on December 16th, 2020
I'm really sick and tired of seeing this Jaggoff on here every single time I visit the site. Stop flooding the comments with your incoherent bullshit. I've seen people on here give you sound advice time and time again, yet you're too ignorant to take it. -Justin
said on December 16th, 2020
Curious, Dustin and Jeff... whats showing more respect to the Red, bolting fun, awesome routes regularly, or taking a hammer and destroying fun, awesome routes? You hypocrites should have voiced your concern about respecting this land and these walls to those selfish pricks who have no respect for anything or anyone. Instead, you sat back and watched the threats, and watched the destruction, and didn't say anything. Dustin, you in particular have no room to talk. You harassed Sarah for ever, after she put up AMAZING routes that see more traffic than maybe anything you've ever put up. She was doing a great service for the community, and you couldn't help yourself but to add stress to her life because you're a fucking troll. Have you gone back and reflected on all the bullshit you've done to other people on here, including that amazing woman? Highly doubtful. Psychoanalyze yourself, troll.
said on December 16th, 2020
Ok, Justin. Ill create a new login name- Anonymous. Logging in now.
Anonymous said on December 16th, 2020
Yeah, Facebook killed off the RRC forum. At least the forum kept the drama off the route comments. Except for Bowling Alley, but even that didn't drag on for months. Between this and the FB "lost and found a/k/a can I spread covid" page, gotta sift a lot of chaff these days. God forbid someone comment about a copperhead nest and missing bolt under "Slick and the 9mm," and someone misses it because they didn't read the novella.
Anonymous said on December 16th, 2020
Tell me about it. Posting personal opinions about a route turns to this everytime. This site is a waste of time.
rjackson said on December 17th, 2020
Ditto Shadow . . .
Anonymous said on December 17th, 2020
“better to ask for forgiveness.” worked for the roadside night climbers, yeah?
Anonymous said on December 17th, 2020
The Roadside dude just moved on to The New. It's ME and YOU who weren't able to climb at Roadside in all of 2020. That's how this stuff usually ends. A couple selfish pricks who move on and leave everyone else to pay the price.
Anonymous said on December 17th, 2020
General guidelines were stated as: trimming limbs impeding established climbs, or falls is fine. Straight from the horse's mouth.