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Death Wish

This route is located in the Southern Region at Drive-By Crag

Whipper Snapper

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Triggered (Closed Project) 5.13- (Sport) ***

First Ascent: hasn't seen an FA
Length: 105ft
Bolts: 17 (report bad bolts/anchors)

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Moves: Technical, Bouldery, Powerful
Descent: Chains
Stays Dry: Light rain
Owner: RRGCC

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Anonymous said on June 17th, 2020
17 bolts LMAO Jesus why
Anonymous said on June 17th, 2020
Because it was bolted by Matt Jaggers.
Anonymous said on June 17th, 2020
I heard this is the "Gumby Unicorn" of the Southern Region
Anonymous said on June 17th, 2020
Nothing can touch Gumby Unicorn. It is in a class by itself. This is more like Gumby Bolter.
Anonymous said on June 17th, 2020
I love how there is no description. I think Jaggers credibility to offer up a realistic description of the route is questionable. I already know that the Admins hate dealing with him. Just like the rest of the community. Lol! This guy make Ian Kirk look like a saint.
Cromper said on June 17th, 2020
As much as I love this reading the drama, this story is getting a little old. Matt is gonna bolt what he wants to bolt; and in the end it doesn’t really matter if another route goes in at driveby. Chopping 19 glue ins would be a huge waste of time for anyone involved. Atleast it is well protected choss and not run out choss.
Jared420_69 said on June 17th, 2020
A soon to be classic on questionable rock, how did Porter miss this gem.
Anonymous said on June 17th, 2020
Says the guy who has seriously lowered his own bar to bolt future shitty crags like Hole in the Wall. I remember when you use to bolt amazing classic climbs. Hole in the Wall is a joke. Looks like you learned a lot from Dustin. Quantity over quality.
Cromper said on June 17th, 2020
Lol yep, I do like the choss. All good; I had fun climbing there.
Cromper said on June 17th, 2020
Lol also I don’t think I have ever bolted an amazing classic climb.
ray said on June 17th, 2020
I saw Cromper at Eden Park in Cincinnati bolting the arch problem and the wellhouse traverse
Anonymous said on June 17th, 2020
Damn, when they start attacking Cromper you know someone is just a sandy ass wipe. Or wait? Is that just Jimmy stirring the pot!?
Cromper said on June 17th, 2020
Damnit Ray. Knew I shouldn’t have left ropes hanging
Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Ben killed all those babies in self defense
Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
Lol this passed-over turdy afterthought of a line now has more bolts (glued-in no less) than any other route in the Red 😂
Anonymous said on August 22nd, 2020
Would be a damn shame if this piece of shit got chopped.
Anonymous said on September 2nd, 2020
I can’t wait to chop this shit next week.
Anonymous said on September 2nd, 2020
At least get a fuckin angle grinder, tube of putty, and some sand to do it right unlike the idiot who completely bungled the job in the Marley Cave
said on September 2nd, 2020
Again, im asking the community at large to not tolerate these type of threats and to take a public stance against them. Regardless if it is a troll attempt or not, making a public statement that this type of action will not be tolerated is all im asking. If no one is willing to take a stance against this childishness, then we will be back at square one.
climb2core said on September 2nd, 2020
I think you ought to leave RRC for a while. You are being trolled now. Just focus on things that actually happen. If the route is chopped, it will be dealt with. However, arguing with trolls on here will only increase the likelihood of something actually happening. Let. It. Go.
ray said on September 3rd, 2020
Mdjagg, show some discipline man. Watching this from the sidelines is insane. It's like a WWE match and you're the new guy getting his ass destroyed but keep going back into the ring. Why can't you just not look at this website? I would find that pretty easy myself if there was something that made me feel bad every day. It's like self abuse for you to continue this.
Anonymous said on September 13th, 2020
Fuck jagger and his shitty routes
Anonymous said on September 27th, 2020
Why is this ass hole still bolting 5.10 lines instead of trying to free this pile of shit? This things the cosmic sausage of the drive by, but at least Jeff moll climbed his gaping shit pile.
the lurkist said on October 21st, 2020
So this is the first time I posted on here in years. I was asked my opinion. I have not seen these routes. Most likely these routes are good. However I have always said for anybody interested in putting up routes three rules of thumb. Rule #1 If you have to think too long think wrong - there is so much rock in the red Don’t waste bolts on junk. Rule #2- don’t have hubris. ask someone else what they think. Always subordinate your judgment to others because you can get tunnel vision. Be open to the idea that you might not be right and be prepared to change your route. Rule #3- your route will be your calling card. You will be remembered and your name attached to your route for a long time. People will remember you for putting up a piece of crap or a really good route. Keep that in mind. Lastly remember these are our cliffs. If we own it they can’t close it. Do things that will improve the cliff and not detract from it.
Anonymous said on October 21st, 2020
Nobody remembers who put up a good route. All they remember is who put up a ton of routes and who the hardest climbers are. Don't be so arrogant as to suggest someone will remember you for drilling holes in rock.
said on October 21st, 2020
First off, your rule number 1 is my default setting, and im specifically looking for weirdness noone else thought would work or was worth the time. And that's exactly why i went out and TR'd this thing before deciding to bolt it. Ive passed on tons of routes ive rapped and werent good enough. I bolt the routes that leave me with a smile on my face. I dont care what anyone thinks about climbs that i enjoy, especially ones that im planning on bolting. Ive got nothing but shit from everyone, so dont expect me to be running anything past people that do nothing but hate. I feel sorry for the miserable folks that have nothing better to do than bash on routes theyve never climbed. Super pathetic, and such a waste of time that could be used to make the Red a better, more inclusive place for everyone. I made this line climbable, and it is amazing, with multiple tough cruxes, including a V6/7 boulder that will shut down most of the critics. I suggest if you dont like this climb, or the necessary odd bolting, then dont ever try it. Pretty simple. And i dont care what kind of legacy i imprint on the transplants that think they own this place. They dont, and their opinion doesnt mean anything to me or anyone in the future who will continue the growth of this area. Their opinion is about as useless as the anons' that frequent this site. Anyone who wishes to implement fascist rule over a historically free spirited sport, then you are no better than the bureaucrats that ruin all things fun and free. I suggest those fascists climb their two climbs at the Lode over and over and try their very best not to get burnt out.
Anonymous said on October 21st, 2020
Imagine being a route developer for like 2 years and thinking you know more and will not take advice from someone that has being doing since before you were born.
Anonymous said on October 21st, 2020
I wouldn't really call him a route developer. He has bolted a few routes over a period of decades but that doesn't make him experienced.
said on October 21st, 2020
I take advice from people I know and respect. I respect Lurkist, but I don't know him personally. If he wants to meet and hang out, tell him to reach out. Otherwise, ill take what I want from his rules of thumb. I do very much appreciate him assuming the lines are good, as opposed to the morons who vote 1 star on routes they've never touched. If the community was full of a bunch of encouraging, positive vibe types, then things would be much different and id most likely follow all of his suggestions. As things are, the good people down there keep to themselves, like normal people, and the self centered, egotistical douche bags are all full force out to prove themselves. And my years bolting has no relevance to the quality of routes I pick. My selections were for me and my friends, and we've had a hell of a good time getting them done.
Anonymous said on October 21st, 2020
Didn’t you say you were gonna hurt people on here lol. Super positive and encouraging vibe
the lurkist said on October 21st, 2020
I’m not attacking you or your route. I’m looking forward to getting on it when it’s open. I realize you’re on the defensive. I agree w you that our sport is shaped by people w passion and single mindedness. I have been one. You are not the first and won’t be the last. Take a deep breath. I’m glad your are psyched. There is a lot of rock out there.
Anonymous said on October 21st, 2020
mdjagg I'm not talking about you when I say you aren't experienced. I'm talking about The Lurkist. He has not bolted many routes. Maybe a handful. I would not look to him for advice and respect.
Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
I just want to know who are the "tourist" and "transplants" that Mdjagg refers to are. Are these actual human beings or figments of Mdjagg's imagination? Who are they? Is Ben a tourist or a transplant? Erik? Kipp? Ian? Who is who?
said on October 22nd, 2020
Thanks, Lurkist. Hopefully you and many others will enjoy the routes i put up. As far as tourist go, it's a simple definition for anyone who takes and takes and takes, and walks right past the wag bags, and trash, and never lifts a finger to make the Red better than when they walked in. Only those who know this about themselves are offended by that word. It's basic husbandry, but unfortunately most younger people don't even know what that means. And I never threatened anyone (except some lite threats to Ian, which thankfully we seem to have moved past), ive only threatened those who assume the role of route destroyer, and so far, those two are too cowardly to confront me directly. Their actions have forced me to put a pause on my monthly donations to the Coalition to help pay for the material and effort needed to repair this route. It's people like them that have no business in the Red, and they deserve to be ostracized and shamed. If they would have sacked up and tried the route first, they would have never bashed over the bolts because the climbing is insanely cool. Anyone wishing for a hard moon board problem, and potentially a harder route than any of the others in the Bob Cave should be pretty pissed about it too.
Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
so who are the transplants you are accusing?
said on October 22nd, 2020
A transplant is not a simple definition, it's just my opinion, which means jack shit. To me, a local is someone who grew up in the area, and a transplant came for the climbing, or any of the other awesomeness this area has to offer. Id say a transplant can gain local status, but not your typical "ive been here 3 years" kind of folks. Most climbers that live in the area I would consider a transplant, yes. Hopefully that doesn't offend you, anon. Who gives a shit? If you want to call yourself a local, go right ahead, but it doesn't give you any more rights to these walls than anyone else in this world. If a Japanese climber wanted to come and bolt routes, they have every right to do so. Until the Coalition bans bolting, then it's all fair game. Until they decide what walls are closed for good, then it's up to an individual to decide what they want to spend their time and money on to bolt, which hopefully is something that inspires them.
Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Name calling and mentally classifying people that you do not know into prejudiced categories....gotcha!
Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Grow up little boy
Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Jaggers now endorsing xenophobia?? every week it's something new and exciting (read: batshit insane) with this guy
DrRockso said on October 22nd, 2020
Matt, You went out of your way to threaten me with physical violence via an email just a couple days ago.
Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Lol that screenshot messages it's true vintage Jaggybitches 😂... I'm disappointed MP have him his account back, it was definitely better off without his juvenile threatening rants on there... "meet and fight" hahaha Jesus what a turdbrain 😂😂
Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
How about you shut the fuck up and try sending your pile of shit? Seriously have you even tried your own steaming pile yet, or do you just like drilling sand piles?
Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Mdjagg, your a true American hero. We should put you on the flag, cause in this country its all about MEEEEE!
Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Dude, don’t re-bolt this thing if it got chopped. Why did you bolt it in the first place if your never even gonna try it? Were you scared someone else was gonna beat you to the last, worst looking line up there and now your saving it for, well, what exactly are you waiting for to send this? Rat-baby
Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Matt, It doesn't matter whether you bolt choss or classics. It doesn't matter whether you onsight 5.14 or struggle to TR 5.9. It doesn't matter whether you can climb the stuff you bolt. It doesn't matter if you were born in Slade or are visiting for the first time. It doesn't even matter too much whether your bolting is R, PG-13 or G. Plenty of respected members of our little community have bolted choss they can't climb, and done it imperfectly. A lot of routes have been bolted by visitors from far far away. No one has hammered those people like you've gotten hammered this year. Those things alone don't get called out, if spicy or gym bolting choss is all it is. But for you, that is not all it is. As long as you talk to anyone in the manner you often come off here - insulting, threatening, know-it-all, recriminating, antisocial - as long as you do that, it doesn't matter if you only bolt bullet hard, five star, 5.13 classics and send them all in style, people will still give your routes 1-star and give you shit for the way you have come across.
Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Yep, that last comment sums it up perfectly... the Jaggie hate had very little to do with his actual routes and everything to do with his intolerably obnoxious personality
Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Anonymous comment 44 is totally right, but it is falling on deaf ears. You see, this has nothing to do with climbing, no matter where Matt goes, people are mean to him and treat him poorly for no reason. Its been happening his whole life. It can't possibly be because of his own actions. No way; it's the rest of the world that has a problem.
said on October 23rd, 2020
I'll end the responses after this, but I just wanted to respond to the lies from Erik Kloeker. The pos has been stalking every route comment i make, so I sent him an email telling him to get off my nuts, and that if he has a problem with me then we could meet to talk, or to fight, whatever he needs to do to get over me. As to the lengthy response, regardless how anyone chooses to read my comments, or perceive how I come across, I have had zero problems with anyone, even stalker Erik. So if people hate me for defending my routes online from truly horrible people, those who would destroy someone else's hard work and ruin a natural resource that belongs to everyone, rock that belongs to all of us, then hate away. Those responsible for the destruction should be called out for the true pos they are. If you hate me for passionately trying to protect this resource, again, don't care. Anyone that doesn't like me has problems in their own life that needs resolving. Im just the new lightning rod for this historically hateful and bigoted culture that has been bred from this ability to post anonymously. I feel sorry for anyone that hates someone they've never met before, that's some 2020 shit right there. I was told today that people out there do hate me,, so to you, I wish you well, and hope you can find some peace in your life, because your hate does literally nothing to me, but it will eat you alive until you figure that shit out. Get worked up about how Joe Biden or Donald Trump is about to ram up our a........Vote 3rd Party! Voting for the lesser of two evils is a vote for evil!!!
DrRockso said on October 23rd, 2020
What lies are you talking about? Don't send me psychopathic threatening emails If you don't want people to know you're a psychopath.
said on October 23rd, 2020
It's called reading comprehension, Erik. You posted a screenshot of me telling you to fuck off, if you want to be threatened by me telling you that, then ok. Stop following me around like an obsessed ex girlfriend, youre pathetic. If you have a problem, then let me know how you want to resolve it.
Anonymous said on October 23rd, 2020
And if there was a problem, yo, I'll solve it. Check out the hook while my DV revolves it.
Anonymous said on October 23rd, 2020
I think Mjblahg and Mike Cook should meet and hang out, they would probably hit it off
Anonymous said on October 23rd, 2020
Maybe we could have a Pay per view Thunder Dome style fundraiser for the rrgcc where Matt fights all of his enemies.
Anonymous said on October 23rd, 2020
Honest question for Matt: If it's just that Ian and Erik are POS's, why is no one else here consistently talking smack about them?
Anonymous said on October 24th, 2020
I would fight him for a fundraiser. Im 100% serious.
said on October 24th, 2020
Unless Erik and Ian bashed my route, which I'm certain they didnt, then i never called either of them a pos. I believe Ian and I are fine, and Erik just has the hots for me, and it's annoying.
Anonymous said on October 24th, 2020
Mdjagg: I'll end my responses after this. Deal with your own insecurities if you don't like me. . Mdjagg: Actually....
Anonymous said on November 12th, 2020
Why was this pile bolted? Has the clown that bolted it even tried to climb it? Do they need to add more bolts for the first aid ascent? What a giant pile of dog shit. Such a giant pile the bolter doesn’t even want anything to do with it.
Anonymous said on December 5th, 2020
Seriously, why did you bolt this? This is project sending time, but this pile of shit still sits with its clown sized tick marks and bolts that protect bolts. If i had to guess at an answer I’d say your just a dumb redneck who loves to play with gear and power tools, am I right? I bet in the near future the number off abandoned “closed projects” and single ascent shit piles will out number the routes that are worth climbing. Rat-baby
Anonymous said on December 5th, 2020
The coalition should have volunteers go around and chop abandoned routes and sell the metal for scrap. They could probably pay the mortgage for the year and have money left over.
Anonymous said on December 5th, 2020
I'll be heading out to chop this route tomorrow, jaggy can meet me there if he's not too chicken shit to do anything about it
Anonymous said on December 5th, 2020
Ya damn Troll! Leave the route. Go do something useful with your energy, such as volunteering for rebolting, building belay platforms, working on trails, etc.
Anonymous said on January 26th, 2021
Ol' Jaggy Pants finally sent. Oh shit! Come on trolls... Come one, come all. You're sandy dreams await you!!
Anonymous said on January 26th, 2021
*Your sandy dreams
Anonymous said on January 26th, 2021
I don't have enough draws to climb this.
Anonymous said on January 26th, 2021
You better sack up and rack up for this king line you weaklings. 17 draws of pure, breathtaking, unparalleled, inspired, and legendary hero ascension awaits those who deem themselves worthy. Are you up to the task? Jaggers is eager to judge you swaths of wannabe "climbers" upon his crown jewel.
Anonymous said on January 26th, 2021
I think this should get an R rating. There is some serious Z clipping potential.
said on January 26th, 2021
First off, stay off my red tags. That being said, theres still hope for you once this is open, anon! Sounds like you have a gumby sport rack of 12 draws. 12 draws = 24 carbiners. 24-17=7. That means you could leave 3 1/2 draws on the ground, you know, to save weight so you can pull the boulder problem. Just looking out for all my 12-draw-only ownin gumbos! #PlumbLinesOnly
Anonymous said on January 26th, 2021
Sent last weekend. 12d. Okay until chossy top half but should clean up. Since I didn't ask permission I'll just ask for forgiveness. Thanks in advance.
said on January 26th, 2021
Obviously your sources are wack, because im no where near strong enough to send 12d. I know my fan club has been DYING to get on this, but how about you wait til it's ready? What am I saying though? You fair weather climbers won't be out til April anyways. Wont be 55°+ for some time now. Sit back, enjoy your Truly's, and maybe you and your partner will have enough time before Spring to work out the details on splitting the carrying load for all the draws you'll need for this one.
Anonymous said on January 26th, 2021
Bolts passed over shit that's way over his head right in the middle of well established crag then leaves red tagged permanently, am I missing anything here?
said on January 26th, 2021
Less than 6 months in, id love to hear why I'm so special that I dont get to work my routes like every other bolter that has ever existed. Also, id love to hear you define the word "way", and how about "permanent" while you're at it. You seem to have a fresh take on these commonly used words.
Anonymous said on January 27th, 2021
Because you're annoying af and no one likes you haha
Anonymous said on January 27th, 2021
Looks like Jaggers forgot how to log in. Became so addicted to anonymous troll bait, he's created his own.
Anonymous said on January 27th, 2021
Honestly, it's rather disturbing seeing this schizophrenia play out in public. Please seek help Jaggers. This Red River outlaw persona you're desperate to maintain has gone to your head.
Anonymous said on February 1st, 2021
MJ just posted this ridiculous route description on MP. WTF??? Triggered .12c TW// New Line @ Drive-By Climb through good crimpy plates to the first sit down safespace, where you'll be shielded from anyone who thinks differently than you. Once you're ready for conflict, put down your participation trophy and climb through an odd, desperate mantley move where a key "micro pinch" may help. Continue up through the committing slab to find another well placed, comforting safespace. If you opted to not extend the recommended bolts, you'll likely feel the systemic oppression by the end. After this final no-hands rest, where you could certainly squeeze in a bit of keyboard-warrioring, prepare yourself for the v5ish boulder problem that will leave most triggered, and wishing they were a bit taller. Once you've conquered the crux, smooth through cool crimps and pockets until you reach the final safespace under the protection of a small roof. After a quick meditation, move on through the final steep section to clip the lower offs to forever rid yourself of the tragic injustice you've just experienced;). Gear Beta: Extend bolts- 1,2,6,8,11 Back-Clean bolts- 4,5,7
Anonymous said on February 1st, 2021
My god.... Whatever happened to "Climb the route. Clip the bolts. Crux is near the top." When did route descriptions turn into mini-manifestos? What a blow hard.
Anonymous said on February 1st, 2021
First semi-vert route in history to require MANY extended draws and MANY back cleans.
Anonymous said on February 1st, 2021
Indeed. With troll-bolting now an art, Jaggers is the master. Permanently defacing worldwide renowned crags for shit n' giggles and to stick it to those mean ol' internet bullies. Truly this is a modern-day tragedy far worse than the capitol raid :'(
Anonymous said on February 1st, 2021
You all are only proving how appropriate this name is. Only white people could complain about something so insignificant. Get over yourselves.
Anonymous said on February 1st, 2021
Careful bro, your white guilt is showing. Bitching and complaining over stupid shit is universal no matter your skin color. Take BLM for example.
Anonymous said on February 1st, 2021
I don't really understand that statement. Honestly, it doesn't make any sense at all. Also, I'm black. So not only does what you said make zero sense, it is incorrect.
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
And yet here you are complaining about the complaining and privilege. Everyone on here is a “climber” and has the privilege of being considered lil bitches. Whatever color you wanna claim, great. You’re now part of the shit show that has become climbing, here’s your metal. Fuck what a stupid bucket of dildos we all are. C’mon asteroid, kill us all.
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
Asking the universe for death because of posts on a rock climbing forum? Wow. You poor baby. You sound just like Jaggers.
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
Don’t be afraid. Death is coming for us all. Embrace it and be free. There’s no red tag to deter you.
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
Yup. Definitely Jaggers. He has finally become what he has been fighting all along, an anonymous troll.
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
I went out and did this yesterday just in spite. Route sucks, cleaning sucks, grade sucks. (Probably 11d/12a?)
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
Shoulda brought the turd choppah with ya
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
"You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the trolls, not join them! Bring balance to the Red, not leave it in darkness!"
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
Yep, I TR'd it after he sent it to clean and the whole thing is pretty bad. -1/10
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
Wow I really feel bad for all the derphaus kids down there. Poor fucks can’t let it go. Oh well.
climb2core said on February 2nd, 2021 Probably the most worthwhile thing you'll find on RRC these days. Sad. Wish it could go back to just talking route specific opinions from actually climbing it or helpful beta / questions.
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
Sounds lame tbh
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
Hey Ian, you seriously want someone to write a 2000 word essay comparing bolts?? That is fucking hilarious. Why don't you do use all a favor and instead, have them write a 2000 word essay on why NOT to manufacture routes in a climbing area that has endless potential for natural routes? I could then compare the mentality of a shitbag like you to someone who knows better. I would rather read troll banter than any of your horseshit ideas. I can't tell who is worse, you or Jaggers?
climb2core said on February 2nd, 2021
At least Jaggers has the balls to not post anon ya chickenshit.
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
on behalf of jaggers, ill be at Miguel's sunday night if anyone with any legit complaints wants to come and settle this. I'm for good conversation but im also for smashing a couple heads because this is stupid at this point. what ever, show up around 7 and let me see whos talking all this shit. but I bet they dont show.
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
This is cute really. Seeing all these scrawny, pencil neck climbing pussies who've never taken a punch play tough guy pretend. Keep it comin' ya badass mofos!
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
Jaggers having a full-on white knight boyfriend is pretty cute too. Sure you two get plenty of first ass-cents together huh? ;)
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
Hey Ian, I would rather be a chicken shit than a chipper. Your legacy amounts to nothing more than hold manufacturing. BTW, the Fake Grips Initiative is a joke. Let me ask you something.. Are you still handing out 1/2" bolts with 3/8" hangers? I would think that someone who is suppose to be a bolt expert would know better. I know for a fact that hundreds if not thousands of bolts placed in The Red, are incorrect. The hanger is not suppose to make direct contact with the bolt. But you should know that since you're an expert. RIGHT? When those bolts fail way sooner than they should, those deaths and injuries will be on you Ian Kirk. So answer me this... Are you still handing out 1/2" bolts with 3/8" hangers? Or did you finally figure out that you are an incompetent idiot and change your ways? And if you did change your ways, when did you finally figure it out? Because as you know, there are hundreds if not thousands of incorrectly placed bolts in The Red because of you IAN KIRK. The public has a right to know if you're still an absolute moron handing out death sentences. All the money you saved subsidizing bolts and hangers will actually cost way more money to replace all that garbage. P.S. Why don't YOU write a 2000 word essay on what you learned by handing out countless bolts with the wrong hangers.
dustonian said on February 2nd, 2021
Lmao dying to know who that last idiot is hahaha
climb2core said on February 2nd, 2021
Bolting expert Anon. I have spoken to engineers at Powers as well as many developers with literally hundreds and hundreds of years of bolting experience. Not sure where you are getting your information, but I can assure you it is not standard practice. Perhaps you can start with reading this thread. If you want to put on a bolting clinic of best practices, I'll be happy to organize it. It might be tough to do as Anon, but maybe you could put a bag over your head.
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
Maybe Ian can put on a hold manufacturing clinic. What should I do after drilling a pocket? Should I use a grout sealer or should I coat the pocket with glue mixed with sand? Any advice Ian?
Anonymous said on February 2nd, 2021
Yeah Ian, what method do you use?
climb2core said on February 2nd, 2021
Drill First. Sika is best for coating, but you can use AC100 and texture with some ground sandstone. Just make sure you use a 1/2" hanger too
dustonian said on February 3rd, 2021
IAN KIRK has also been using a 9/16" wrench to tighten his 1/2" bolts with DANGEROUS 3/8" hangers!! That is on YOU, Ian!!!
Anonymous said on February 3rd, 2021
Ray pays Mdjagg. Now that RRC and MP are insufferable, paper guidebook sales are Great Again. Triggered will get "5 stars," the fix is in. -QAnon
Rx2Climb said on February 4th, 2021
I can't even count the number of times I have died because of the unsafe bolts at the Red. "Super Unsafe Ian"? But seriously, thanks for the work you all put in maintaining the bolts. RRG FGI is awesome.
ray said on February 5th, 2021
I'm starting to feel like the Parler for RRG climbers. Please don't kick me off of your platform GoDaddy
climbhigh said on February 5th, 2021
should we raid foxtown now ? been wanting to chip some holds there for quite sometime
Cocoapuffs1000 said on February 5th, 2021
I foresee this route getting a decent amount of traffic, out of morbid curiosity if nothing else. But if the rock quality is as bad as Death Wish then I'm bailing.
Anonymous said on February 5th, 2021
Oh rest assured, bolting choss is Jaggers calling card. Couple that with the absolute nonsensical bullshit chores you gotta do just to climb his stuff "extend this, back-clean that" and you'd be a masochist to even bother.
Anonymous said on February 12th, 2021
Wow some of these comments r pure gold
Ninjadoc said on April 26th, 2021
GARBAGE. MASSIVE DEATH BLOCK. SANDY AF. This is a total PILE. I respect all developers as a 30 year climber myself and have bolted many many lines at crags all over. This is a dangerous line. I recommend that if the FA'ist has the humility, that he/she considers chopping this dangerous and sandy monstrosity. I wish I had known how bad it was so I could've avoided it.
said on April 26th, 2021
Thats completely ridiculous. Sandy in spots sure, but the ledge flake will be there for a million more years. So dramatic. 100 climbers together couldnt break the 50ft long attached piece youre talking about. Let me know when King Kong starts climbing at Drive By.
said on April 27th, 2021
...and I'd be happy to rapp in with 20 of the strongest local dude bros to try to pull it off, just to prove how overly dramatic that statement is. Let me know and ill be there.
whoneedsfeet said on April 27th, 2021
I’m listening...
dustonian said on April 27th, 2021
Lol he said he wants to go sport rappelling with 20 of the strongest local dude bros Jimballz, not just ANY local men
said on April 27th, 2021
Let's do it. If it comes off, which theres no chance of, then Noah's favorite route will be 13a instead of 12c, and if it doesn't, then he can feel good about using his 30 years of experience to prove to everyone how much he's learned about judging rock integrity. Who's in? So far we have 2, we need 18 more. And I'm not particular, anyone is welcome to help, dude bro or not. Add your name to the list here. Requirements are a grigri, and rope access skills, including ascending a single strand. Bring a few rope protectors and a #1 and #2 cam to plug below the first roof. This should be some fun isometric training!
said on April 28th, 2021
Let's consider a realistic option, since there's no chance we could get 20 people to help do much of anything down there at once. If 5 people, me included, can't pull off this piece of the wall, then surely Noah can rest easy knowing we tried, which I already have. I swung in and kicked it over and over, I yarded on it, and there was zero movement, just a wall being a wall. Noah, im assuming you're still in town, so let's get Jimmy, who's listening, and the Bash Bros, who im sure would love to help destroy things. Thats 5. Let's get together before you leave, so you can see for yourself. If it comes off, ill single handedly clean up the mess down below.
AidClimber said on April 28th, 2021
I want out of this simulation
Cromper said on April 28th, 2021
Sir, this is a Wendy's restaurant.
said on April 28th, 2021
Welp, I offered to ease the minds of those concerned. Seems like only one out of towner is concerned. Moving on now. Thanks for your feedback, Noah.
said on May 26th, 2021
With the death of the Anon postings, im happy to contribute info to this site again, as the admins have posted at least one of my new lines sans submission anyways (thank you). This route has been open for a while, and goes at .12c.
said on May 26th, 2021
FA: Matthew Jaggers, Zach Wilson - 1/23/21
dustonian said on May 26th, 2021
Thank you for this gift
said on May 26th, 2021
Dustin Stevens is my greatest inspiration, and youre the only reason I got into bolting... so I thank you, good sir!