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Death Wish

This route is located in the Southern Region at Drive-By Crag

Whipper Snapper


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Triggered (Closed Project) 5.13- (Sport) ***

First Ascent: hasn't seen an FA
Length: 105ft
Bolts: 17 (report bad bolts/anchors)

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Moves: Technical, Bouldery, Powerful
Descent: Chains
Stays Dry: Light rain
Owner: RRGCC
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Submitted by: Mdjagg
Date: Oct 24th, 2020

Submitted by: DrRockso
Date: Oct 22nd, 2020

Submitted by: Anonymous
Date: Aug 1st, 2020

Submitted by: Anonymous
Date: Aug 1st, 2020

Comments

1
Anonymous said on June 17th, 2020
17 bolts LMAO Jesus why
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Anonymous said on June 17th, 2020
Because it was bolted by Matt Jaggers.
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Anonymous said on June 17th, 2020
I heard this is the "Gumby Unicorn" of the Southern Region
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Anonymous said on June 17th, 2020
Nothing can touch Gumby Unicorn. It is in a class by itself. This is more like Gumby Bolter.
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Anonymous said on June 17th, 2020
I love how there is no description. I think Jaggers credibility to offer up a realistic description of the route is questionable. I already know that the Admins hate dealing with him. Just like the rest of the community. Lol! This guy make Ian Kirk look like a saint.
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Cromper said on June 17th, 2020
As much as I love this reading the drama, this story is getting a little old. Matt is gonna bolt what he wants to bolt; and in the end it doesn’t really matter if another route goes in at driveby. Chopping 19 glue ins would be a huge waste of time for anyone involved. Atleast it is well protected choss and not run out choss.
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Jared420_69 said on June 17th, 2020
A soon to be classic on questionable rock, how did Porter miss this gem.
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Anonymous said on June 17th, 2020
Says the guy who has seriously lowered his own bar to bolt future shitty crags like Hole in the Wall. I remember when you use to bolt amazing classic climbs. Hole in the Wall is a joke. Looks like you learned a lot from Dustin. Quantity over quality.
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Cromper said on June 17th, 2020
Lol yep, I do like the choss. All good; I had fun climbing there.
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Cromper said on June 17th, 2020
Lol also I don’t think I have ever bolted an amazing classic climb.
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ray said on June 17th, 2020
I saw Cromper at Eden Park in Cincinnati bolting the arch problem and the wellhouse traverse
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Anonymous said on June 17th, 2020
Damn, when they start attacking Cromper you know someone is just a sandy ass wipe. Or wait? Is that just Jimmy stirring the pot!?
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Cromper said on June 17th, 2020
Damnit Ray. Knew I shouldn’t have left ropes hanging
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Ben killed all those babies in self defense
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
Lol this passed-over turdy afterthought of a line now has more bolts (glued-in no less) than any other route in the Red 😂
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Anonymous said on August 22nd, 2020
Would be a damn shame if this piece of shit got chopped.
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Anonymous said on September 2nd, 2020
I can’t wait to chop this shit next week.
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Anonymous said on September 2nd, 2020
At least get a fuckin angle grinder, tube of putty, and some sand to do it right unlike the idiot who completely bungled the job in the Marley Cave
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Mdjagg said on September 2nd, 2020
Again, im asking the community at large to not tolerate these type of threats and to take a public stance against them. Regardless if it is a troll attempt or not, making a public statement that this type of action will not be tolerated is all im asking. If no one is willing to take a stance against this childishness, then we will be back at square one.
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climb2core said on September 2nd, 2020
I think you ought to leave RRC for a while. You are being trolled now. Just focus on things that actually happen. If the route is chopped, it will be dealt with. However, arguing with trolls on here will only increase the likelihood of something actually happening. Let. It. Go.
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Anonymous said on September 13th, 2020
Fuck jagger and his shitty routes
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Anonymous said on September 27th, 2020
Why is this ass hole still bolting 5.10 lines instead of trying to free this pile of shit? This things the cosmic sausage of the drive by, but at least Jeff moll climbed his gaping shit pile.
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the lurkist said on October 21st, 2020
So this is the first time I posted on here in years. I was asked my opinion. I have not seen these routes. Most likely these routes are good. However I have always said for anybody interested in putting up routes three rules of thumb. Rule #1 If you have to think too long think wrong - there is so much rock in the red Don’t waste bolts on junk. Rule #2- don’t have hubris. ask someone else what they think. Always subordinate your judgment to others because you can get tunnel vision. Be open to the idea that you might not be right and be prepared to change your route. Rule #3- your route will be your calling card. You will be remembered and your name attached to your route for a long time. People will remember you for putting up a piece of crap or a really good route. Keep that in mind. Lastly remember these are our cliffs. If we own it they can’t close it. Do things that will improve the cliff and not detract from it.
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Anonymous said on October 21st, 2020
Nobody remembers who put up a good route. All they remember is who put up a ton of routes and who the hardest climbers are. Don't be so arrogant as to suggest someone will remember you for drilling holes in rock.
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Mdjagg said on October 21st, 2020
First off, your rule number 1 is my default setting, and im specifically looking for weirdness noone else thought would work or was worth the time. And that's exactly why i went out and TR'd this thing before deciding to bolt it. Ive passed on tons of routes ive rapped and werent good enough. I bolt the routes that leave me with a smile on my face. I dont care what anyone thinks about climbs that i enjoy, especially ones that im planning on bolting. Ive got nothing but shit from everyone, so dont expect me to be running anything past people that do nothing but hate. I feel sorry for the miserable folks that have nothing better to do than bash on routes theyve never climbed. Super pathetic, and such a waste of time that could be used to make the Red a better, more inclusive place for everyone. I made this line climbable, and it is amazing, with multiple tough cruxes, including a V6/7 boulder that will shut down most of the critics. I suggest if you dont like this climb, or the necessary odd bolting, then dont ever try it. Pretty simple. And i dont care what kind of legacy i imprint on the transplants that think they own this place. They dont, and their opinion doesnt mean anything to me or anyone in the future who will continue the growth of this area. Their opinion is about as useless as the anons' that frequent this site. Anyone who wishes to implement fascist rule over a historically free spirited sport, then you are no better than the bureaucrats that ruin all things fun and free. I suggest those fascists climb their two climbs at the Lode over and over and try their very best not to get burnt out.
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Anonymous said on October 21st, 2020
Imagine being a route developer for like 2 years and thinking you know more and will not take advice from someone that has being doing since before you were born.
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Anonymous said on October 21st, 2020
I wouldn't really call him a route developer. He has bolted a few routes over a period of decades but that doesn't make him experienced.
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Mdjagg said on October 21st, 2020
I take advice from people I know and respect. I respect Lurkist, but I don't know him personally. If he wants to meet and hang out, tell him to reach out. Otherwise, ill take what I want from his rules of thumb. I do very much appreciate him assuming the lines are good, as opposed to the morons who vote 1 star on routes they've never touched. If the community was full of a bunch of encouraging, positive vibe types, then things would be much different and id most likely follow all of his suggestions. As things are, the good people down there keep to themselves, like normal people, and the self centered, egotistical douche bags are all full force out to prove themselves. And my years bolting has no relevance to the quality of routes I pick. My selections were for me and my friends, and we've had a hell of a good time getting them done.
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Anonymous said on October 21st, 2020
Didn’t you say you were gonna hurt people on here lol. Super positive and encouraging vibe
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the lurkist said on October 21st, 2020
I’m not attacking you or your route. I’m looking forward to getting on it when it’s open. I realize you’re on the defensive. I agree w you that our sport is shaped by people w passion and single mindedness. I have been one. You are not the first and won’t be the last. Take a deep breath. I’m glad your are psyched. There is a lot of rock out there.
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Anonymous said on October 21st, 2020
mdjagg I'm not talking about you when I say you aren't experienced. I'm talking about The Lurkist. He has not bolted many routes. Maybe a handful. I would not look to him for advice and respect.
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Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
I just want to know who are the "tourist" and "transplants" that Mdjagg refers to are. Are these actual human beings or figments of Mdjagg's imagination? Who are they? Is Ben a tourist or a transplant? Erik? Kipp? Ian? Who is who?
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Mdjagg said on October 22nd, 2020
Thanks, Lurkist. Hopefully you and many others will enjoy the routes i put up. As far as tourist go, it's a simple definition for anyone who takes and takes and takes, and walks right past the wag bags, and trash, and never lifts a finger to make the Red better than when they walked in. Only those who know this about themselves are offended by that word. It's basic husbandry, but unfortunately most younger people don't even know what that means. And I never threatened anyone (except some lite threats to Ian, which thankfully we seem to have moved past), ive only threatened those who assume the role of route destroyer, and so far, those two are too cowardly to confront me directly. Their actions have forced me to put a pause on my monthly donations to the Coalition to help pay for the material and effort needed to repair this route. It's people like them that have no business in the Red, and they deserve to be ostracized and shamed. If they would have sacked up and tried the route first, they would have never bashed over the bolts because the climbing is insanely cool. Anyone wishing for a hard moon board problem, and potentially a harder route than any of the others in the Bob Cave should be pretty pissed about it too.
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Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
so who are the transplants you are accusing?
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Mdjagg said on October 22nd, 2020
A transplant is not a simple definition, it's just my opinion, which means jack shit. To me, a local is someone who grew up in the area, and a transplant came for the climbing, or any of the other awesomeness this area has to offer. Id say a transplant can gain local status, but not your typical "ive been here 3 years" kind of folks. Most climbers that live in the area I would consider a transplant, yes. Hopefully that doesn't offend you, anon. Who gives a shit? If you want to call yourself a local, go right ahead, but it doesn't give you any more rights to these walls than anyone else in this world. If a Japanese climber wanted to come and bolt routes, they have every right to do so. Until the Coalition bans bolting, then it's all fair game. Until they decide what walls are closed for good, then it's up to an individual to decide what they want to spend their time and money on to bolt, which hopefully is something that inspires them.
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Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Name calling and mentally classifying people that you do not know into prejudiced categories....gotcha!
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Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Grow up little boy
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Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Jaggers now endorsing xenophobia?? every week it's something new and exciting (read: batshit insane) with this guy
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DrRockso said on October 22nd, 2020
Matt, You went out of your way to threaten me with physical violence via an email just a couple days ago.
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Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Lol that screenshot messages it's true vintage Jaggybitches 😂... I'm disappointed MP have him his account back, it was definitely better off without his juvenile threatening rants on there... "meet and fight" hahaha Jesus what a turdbrain 😂😂
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Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
How about you shut the fuck up and try sending your pile of shit? Seriously have you even tried your own steaming pile yet, or do you just like drilling sand piles?
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Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Mdjagg, your a true American hero. We should put you on the flag, cause in this country its all about MEEEEE!
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Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Dude, don’t re-bolt this thing if it got chopped. Why did you bolt it in the first place if your never even gonna try it? Were you scared someone else was gonna beat you to the last, worst looking line up there and now your saving it for, well, what exactly are you waiting for to send this? Rat-baby
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Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Matt, It doesn't matter whether you bolt choss or classics. It doesn't matter whether you onsight 5.14 or struggle to TR 5.9. It doesn't matter whether you can climb the stuff you bolt. It doesn't matter if you were born in Slade or are visiting for the first time. It doesn't even matter too much whether your bolting is R, PG-13 or G. Plenty of respected members of our little community have bolted choss they can't climb, and done it imperfectly. A lot of routes have been bolted by visitors from far far away. No one has hammered those people like you've gotten hammered this year. Those things alone don't get called out, if spicy or gym bolting choss is all it is. But for you, that is not all it is. As long as you talk to anyone in the manner you often come off here - insulting, threatening, know-it-all, recriminating, antisocial - as long as you do that, it doesn't matter if you only bolt bullet hard, five star, 5.13 classics and send them all in style, people will still give your routes 1-star and give you shit for the way you have come across.
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Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Yep, that last comment sums it up perfectly... the Jaggie hate had very little to do with his actual routes and everything to do with his intolerably obnoxious personality
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Anonymous said on October 22nd, 2020
Anonymous comment 44 is totally right, but it is falling on deaf ears. You see, this has nothing to do with climbing, no matter where Matt goes, people are mean to him and treat him poorly for no reason. Its been happening his whole life. It can't possibly be because of his own actions. No way; it's the rest of the world that has a problem.
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Mdjagg said on October 23rd, 2020
I'll end the responses after this, but I just wanted to respond to the lies from Erik Kloeker. The pos has been stalking every route comment i make, so I sent him an email telling him to get off my nuts, and that if he has a problem with me then we could meet to talk, or to fight, whatever he needs to do to get over me. As to the lengthy response, regardless how anyone chooses to read my comments, or perceive how I come across, I have had zero problems with anyone, even stalker Erik. So if people hate me for defending my routes online from truly horrible people, those who would destroy someone else's hard work and ruin a natural resource that belongs to everyone, rock that belongs to all of us, then hate away. Those responsible for the destruction should be called out for the true pos they are. If you hate me for passionately trying to protect this resource, again, don't care. Anyone that doesn't like me has problems in their own life that needs resolving. Im just the new lightning rod for this historically hateful and bigoted culture that has been bred from this ability to post anonymously. I feel sorry for anyone that hates someone they've never met before, that's some 2020 shit right there. I was told today that people out there do hate me,, so to you, I wish you well, and hope you can find some peace in your life, because your hate does literally nothing to me, but it will eat you alive until you figure that shit out. Get worked up about how Joe Biden or Donald Trump is about to ram up our a........Vote 3rd Party! Voting for the lesser of two evils is a vote for evil!!!
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DrRockso said on October 23rd, 2020
What lies are you talking about? Don't send me psychopathic threatening emails If you don't want people to know you're a psychopath.
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Mdjagg said on October 23rd, 2020
It's called reading comprehension, Erik. You posted a screenshot of me telling you to fuck off, if you want to be threatened by me telling you that, then ok. Stop following me around like an obsessed ex girlfriend, youre pathetic. If you have a problem, then let me know how you want to resolve it.
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Anonymous said on October 23rd, 2020
And if there was a problem, yo, I'll solve it. Check out the hook while my DV revolves it.
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Anonymous said on October 23rd, 2020
I think Mjblahg and Mike Cook should meet and hang out, they would probably hit it off
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Anonymous said on October 23rd, 2020
Maybe we could have a Pay per view Thunder Dome style fundraiser for the rrgcc where Matt fights all of his enemies.
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Anonymous said on October 23rd, 2020
Honest question for Matt: If it's just that Ian and Erik are POS's, why is no one else here consistently talking smack about them?
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Anonymous said on October 24th, 2020
I would fight him for a fundraiser. Im 100% serious.
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Mdjagg said on October 24th, 2020
Unless Erik and Ian bashed my route, which I'm certain they didnt, then i never called either of them a pos. I believe Ian and I are fine, and Erik just has the hots for me, and it's annoying.
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Anonymous said on October 24th, 2020
Mdjagg: I'll end my responses after this. Deal with your own insecurities if you don't like me. . Mdjagg: Actually....
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Anonymous said on November 12th, 2020
Why was this pile bolted? Has the clown that bolted it even tried to climb it? Do they need to add more bolts for the first aid ascent? What a giant pile of dog shit. Such a giant pile the bolter doesn’t even want anything to do with it.