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Sojourner Truth

This route is located in the Southern Region at Drive-By Crag

End of Days


43a.
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1 votes

Fleeing the Scene 5.11b (Sport) ***

First Ascent: Matthew Jaggers, Shuhan Li in 2020
Length: 65ft
Bolts: 7 (report bad bolts/anchors)

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If you're expecting all slab, then you'll be shook by the steep finale. The grade comes from the cruxy start, and the steep finish. Don't be expecting an easy onsight, this route's chalk and ticks get rained off pretty quickly. Welcome the clean rock and get creative!
Moves: Crimps, Slopers, Jams
Descent: Quick Links on Anchors
Stays Dry: Does not stay dry
Owner: RRGCC
Steepness:
contrived (1) fingers (1) hands (1) shady (1) confusing (1) fists (1) pile (1)
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Jared420_69 said on July 24th, 2020
3,2,1.......
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Anonymous said on July 24th, 2020
As much as I love the Mdjagg-hate threads, I'm personally not offended by this line. It's one thing to bolt a choss-pile in the middle of one of the most popular crags, but filling in an area that no one climbs on seems like a fine place for a gumby bolter.
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Anonymous said on July 25th, 2020
Yet he still finds an ego-sustaining need to spray down as soon as the bolts go in though haha
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Anonymous said on July 25th, 2020
Agree; this sort of development seems worthwhile. Trying, myself, to give this kid a second (or fifth?) chance to redeem himself and learn to be humble and kind. This looks like an OK line and certainly not encroaching on a crowded/grid area.
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Anonymous said on July 27th, 2020
Yeah this sideshow slab is a more appropriate exercise in gumby bolting, right down to the obligatory 5-star self-rating lol
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Anonymous said on July 27th, 2020
Gumby Bolter Lives Matter
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Anonymous said on July 27th, 2020
if you had to pick between this line having been bolted or roadside still being open, which would you pick?
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Rx2Climb said on July 27th, 2020
DAMMMMMNNNNNN!!!!!
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Anonymous said on July 27th, 2020
I'm gonna lead this route on gear while chopping the bolts with an angle grinder, ground up bitches!!!
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Anonymous said on July 27th, 2020
How sad it must be to become the reigning clown prince of the Red in only 6 months LMAO
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Anonymous said on July 29th, 2020
I guess gym bolting is in again. 7 bolts in 65ft?!? Save some bolts and glue next time.
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Anonymous said on July 29th, 2020
Not a fan of the way Jaggers engages the community, but the bolt density of this one is lower than both of its neighbors which were bolted by Kipp almost a decade ago.
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Anonymous said on July 30th, 2020
Huh? Actually Kipp's neighboring routes have one less bolt and he didn't feel the need to fluff the length or quality self-assessment on here 🙄
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Mike Bond said on July 30th, 2020
+1 MJag-DBag needs to learn to deal with human beings and lose the ego, but nothing too dense about 7 bolts in 65ft. Pretty standard, and it is, afte rall, not consistently steep.
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Mdjagg said on July 30th, 2020
I'll be baking cookies this weekend for everyone in PMRP, available to those who fill out a Comment Card providing critical feedback on my routes. I'll also be providing a list of all of my potential routes that I've been looking at so that I can get your personal permission and approval on what I should and shouldn't bolt next. I'm extra interested in what Ben and Dustin think, as they have proved to be such a huge force for hope, positivity, and progress in the Red. I'm really hoping for a good turnout so that I can have some quality community engagement, and also meet the faces behind all the loving and supportive Anon messages. It means the world to me that you humans have taken time out of your stressful and busy day to try to save me money on bolts and glue, and for trying to guide me towards the light of only bolting lines worthy of our forefathers. Your support and encouragement is so helpful and kind, that I thought I'd show my appreciation, not by investing money into the walls we all love, but into baked goods, knowing just how well they go with a 12 pack of Ale 8, to keep you crushing all day. I do this for you, dear Community. Ben, and Dustin, Ill bake you two extra special treats because I know how much time and energy you've put into making me feel welcome and apart of this super hip scene. Bro's, the love has been received, and I can't thank you enough. Come get your warm baked deliciousness this weekend! And sorry for the fluff, this line is actually much, much closer to 64ft, and 4.8 stars.Thanks for keeping me in check, and the details precise! Be sure to keep the comments flowing, you're making the world a better place, one thoughtful comment at a time.
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Anonymous said on July 30th, 2020
Yep, he's still a douche
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Mdjagg said on July 30th, 2020
See...Thoughtful!
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AidClimber said on July 30th, 2020
What kinda cookies?
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Mdjagg said on July 30th, 2020
I feel like I need a community consensus before deciding what kinds. You tell me! But of course, no matter the type, I'll have plenty of gluten free options, too. I'm always lookin out for you, Ben. .
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Anonymous said on July 30th, 2020
Fuck it. Let’s just clear cut the place, grid bolt every thing, add 3’ pieces of chain to every 5th bolt {‘cause you know it was drilled in the wrong spot}, and put red tags on all of it. When we’re done bolting we can leave fixed lines every where to rot. Most of them hanging from the cliff. Seriously, I’m in! I want a book that future generations can pick up and see some where between its covers, that I, Rat-Baby, advanced the human race by bolting some shit pile.
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Anonymous said on July 30th, 2020
Sounds like Rat Baby understands what it takes to develop a crag. I would rather be guilty of those things than act like every other climber with their nose buried in the guidebook, shitting in the woods, leaving trash everywhere, and spraying how cool I am for getting the 172nd ascent of whatever route.
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Anonymous said on July 30th, 2020
Hey Rat Baby, if you really want to advance the human race, you might want to post more anonymous emotional rants. I'm pretty sure that will do it.
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Anonymous said on July 30th, 2020
Rap bolting sport routes, the true definition of daring, adventurous rock climbing. So pure and pristine.
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ray said on July 30th, 2020
Hey Rat Baby! Have you done Delusions of Grandeur and/or the V8 (V7?) layback left of Kris Kline's Corner? Can't figure them out and nobody ever climbs them!
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Anonymous said on July 30th, 2020
you are fucking clown shoes uncle, I will literally bare knuckle box your old weak spectrum ass if I ever see you out at a wall
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Ray! Yeah man, I’ve done em. There’s a sweet problem that starts on delusions and goes right to the arete and up. It’s like a 7 or an 8, and doesn’t look like much, but its one of the best. I doubt its in the book. Rat-baby P.S. don’t tell me your out there in this shit!?! I’m out in this shit, but I wouldn’t be out in that shit!
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Horatio Felacio is getting lazy. He’s gotta be comment #25.
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ray said on July 31st, 2020
Sick Richard! Man I would love to see how you do those. Delusions is crazy! I've spent several hours on that thing trying to figure it out. No man ain't no way in hell I'm up there in the snake jungle right now
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
you know what? Rock climbing is pretty freaking fun. You should try it! The RRG is probably the single best sport climbing area on the planet. Enjoy it. While MJag's attitude is absurd, so is the vitriol of the anons. This is probably a 1 or 2 star line, but there are plenty worse in the gorge. It is not a squeeze job or link up (please lets not devolve to that); its an independent line that appears to be reasonably protected. Let this one go. It is probably a reasonable contribution from a somewhat unreasonable gumby developer. Dude is so young, he will have decades still to regret his actions and words on here and MP.com. He's young agro and dumb, but this line is not an example of that.
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Ad Hominem attacks only work if they have a hint of truth to them. Funny listening to a wanna-be trying to sum me up when you've obviously never met me. Quite flattering remarks, actually. Dudes, and Ben, I'm going to bolt whatever the fuck I want, so get over it, and get your gamer keyboards ready, because these little comment sections are the only place to voice your grievances when you predictably get personally offended. No one in this world gives a fuck. BTW, if anyone would like to learn how to bolt in the steep with glue ins, I'll be taking applications. Ben, this would have been a great opportunity for you, but sadly you must be able to carry a 90+lbs pack to pparticipate. Sorry, bud.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
You got a time machine ray? I’ll break a hip trying to sit start anything these days. This winter I’ll have to come down there and epic on the ladder boulder! The rat.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
no one gives a shit if you bolt fuckpiles out in miller fork, if it was actually about “the pursuit of the pure line bro” why are you trying to graffiti your bitch made name in next to actual developers? there’s dozens of people that actively bolt shit and they all manage to do it without turding all over a 30 year old crag... and don’t even get me started on getting roadside closed... i hope you get COVID
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Cromper said on July 31st, 2020
An aside: Who is Ben?
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Jacob and Ian both made horrible decisions, and the place is closed, and it is a shame they couldn't figure out how to deal with one another without running to tell mom. Please don't pretend the developers of 30 years ago had some special anointment that we are no longer posses. They were doing the exact same thing that I'm doing, finding something they want to climb, and then doing the work to make that possible. And we actually own the land now too, where as they didn't. If there's a safety hazard on one of my routes, then tell me and I will fix it, otherwise there's nothing to say.. Routes go up all the time that no one will ever climb, so long as the developer had fun working it and opening it, then it was worth it. Boycott my routes, it won't change a thing. Climb them and give them 1 star, you won't change a thing. You are not a factor. I've enjoyed all of my experiences giving back to the coalition, sorry you had higher expectations for me. I suggest you either take up bolting permits on coalition land with the coalition so you could hopefully become a fascist overlord and cancel all bolting at your favorite walls, or you learn to live with the idea that people will be investing into this property for years to come.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Who belayed Jacob that night?
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Ian probably knows. Ask him for a screen shot or two.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
#freeben
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
#justice4ben
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Mdjagg, here's your challenge. This site has been going since 2002. In those 18 years, the Webers bought the undeveloped Muir Valley (2004) and the RRGCC bought the undeveloped Miller Fork (2013). In those 18 years, 1000 new routes were developed in these areas, and more developed elsewhere. A lots of people took up bolting in those 18 years. This site has over 100,000 comments and posts now. I can tell you've looked through a lot of those comments. You say The Red isn't welcoming to new developers. ***** I challenge you to find another person who started bolting in the past 18 years who has provoke such a backlash.**** Show us the threads. If you can't, don't blame the community cus' the community doesn't just dump on new developers. The community didn't just happen to change 18 years of behavior the day you finished your first route. Ask yourself why YOU are causing the backlash. (Hint: It's not your routes.)
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
It’s cause Ben has turned everybody against him.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
These routes, and especially the shit pile project on the main wall are like some dumb kid pinning his shitty scribbled art work on the wall of the Guggenheim.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
the fact you even try to compare what you do to what actual developers did is further proof this is some heavy ego shit for you... the key difference here is back in the day they were actually out bushwhacking finding new stuff and properly cleaning lines off... there’s plenty of opportunity to do that still, but maybe not at the oldest, highest trafficked, and most established crags in the red? link me out to one single thing you’ve bolted in Miller fork and I’ll admit you’re the exact same person as Kipp lmao. You “just need to bolt it cuz I need to climb it” but regularly accost people out at the gallery on 5 star 11s like “DAMN BRO WHATS THAT LINE IVE NEVER SEEN THAT ONE BEFORE” and it’s like dude maybe you could climb even a couple of the classics before you decide nothing currently bolted lives up to your chode ass vision. Insecure cuck bitch never got laid in high school and now we all have to deal with it? fuck outta here, and your bitch friends too getting roadside closed just so he can spray about sending 11d 🤡 🤡 🤡
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
it’s also some bird brained shit to say you’ll listen to criticisms on safety when we were all there for trail wars and watched you pitch an absolute shit fit when people pointed out if you need an extendo perma on the 2nd bolt on 5.10 it’s bolted poorly
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Yawn. This shit is so boring. Glad I could take the heat off of Ian, he ate shit for long enough and deserved the break, even after getting Roadside shut down and causing major drama that hurt several people in the process. This site doesn't hate "new" developers, you all hate literally anyone that has contributed anything to the area. I challenge you to find more than a few threads that don't involve people acting like complete children, harassing anyone with a question or comment. Good luck. And I love how everyone here thinks my routes are trash,, yet have never climbed them,, and the rest of the world that ACTUALLY climbs thinks they are solid 3+ stars and have fun climbing them. Im not concerned with the transplant's fragile ego's, and you all can thank Ray for providing a place to vent your childhood trauma. Everyone, go comment something mean on one of my routes, my feels are about to get hurt.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
“I’m not mad I’m laughing and bored actually lol”
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Ben, I don't think you know how quotation marks work, little dude. "Lol".
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Fact: Ian never night climbed at Roadside.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Umm....there are like 500 routes where the comments are all "great find," "instant classic," "thanks for bolting."
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
“Post through your childhood trauma” I say as I constantly ignore valid critiques to instead talk more about my hurt feelings
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Fact: Ian got two amazing people kicked out of their home, and destroyed relationships and almost a business. He's a child, like the rest of you. I'll be out climbing and bolting, let me know when you all contribute something to the area, besides downgrading routes before you've even seen them. And... Share the Lain is perfectly safe, just climbed it last weekend. It was my choice to put one clip in the low crux, or two, and I chose to put one. If you're scared, you can always walk up onto the ledge and stick clip the 5th bolt. Let me know if you'd like a consultation credit on my next route, and you can hold my hand while marking out the bolts.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Wonderful people = the people that I bought weed from.
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
What? Trolls are the weirdest creatures. Talking about 5 star 11's and buying weed. Let's get back to my homemade bolts that don't exist while we're at it.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
The problem with Matt Jaggers is not his new route selections, his bolting, being new to the scene, or even whatever situation happened at Roadside. The backlash and community distain for Matt Jaggers is this... He simply can not stay silent when the trolls come knocking on his door. The trolls knock, he answers. They knock again, he answers again. The just don't stop knocking and he just doesn't stop answering the door. Matt Jaggers has zero restraint when the trolls come knocking. If he could just stop answering the door, they would go away. The only way to shut down trolls is to IGNORE them. And any response, by anyone, to a troll, is always worded with emotion and unkind words that blow back on that person. When someone crank calls you over and over and over, do you keep answering the phone??? If your neighbors are loud all the time and you keep screaming at them from across your yard, the other neighbors think you're crazy. I don't dislike Matt Jaggers at all but his responses to the trolls make him look like a ego driven asshole. He is probably a nice guy but if you hang out with trolls long enough, they rub off on you. Hey Matt, do yourself a favor and stop answering the door. Eventually they will go away. This is not some bully at high school where you need to stand up for yourself. It is a minefield that for some reason you choose to continue to walk in to.
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
I agree. I actually don't mind the trolls though, it's cheap entertainment. Plus, I get to make fun of Ian and Erik, and Ben here and there, so it's worth it. Erik seems like a decent guy, with a stick up his ass. Ben is just a kid, so he'll learn how to talk about people behind their back when they're not 20 ft from him (TWICE!) at some point in his life. Ian... there's no hope for that guy. Captain ScreenShot will live on forever.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
I use trails I didn't build, across land I didn't pay for, to routes I didn't develop, clipping bolts I didn't replace, potentially rescued by SAR I don't volunteer with. And I'll use this website I don't maintain to tell you this: No one but me contributes anything.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Unfortunately it's a lot more than just his habit of "responding to trolls"... the guy is a legit toxic asshole, arrogant as fuck, and has zero insight into what an inexperienced clown he is despite having extremely limited bolting or even climbing experience.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Yeah his claim that no one else "does anything to help the Coalition" except for him is so fucking wrong and self-gratifying it's hilarious... guy has no clue whatsoever
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Ben is watching you
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
I guess I should cancel my monthly payment to the Coalition, and stop helping with trails. And let me know if there's any SAR opportunities, my skills would fit in really well for that volunteer service, and I would like nothing more than to help people out who need it. As far a rebolting goes, unfortunately you all have allowed a monolithic dictatorship to control the community subsidized pile of hardware that is meant for replacing old rusties. I have offered many times to help replace bolts, but Ian is a cunt, and unilaterally decides who gets to use the community's bolts. Strip him of that power and I will replace whatever needs replacing. I've even offered to replace bolts at one of the most difficult crags to get to. I'm not spending my own money replacing bolts on climbs I didn't put up. Contact the FA, or tell Ian that the subsidized bolts are ours, and not his. If I'm buying my own hardware at full price, you can be sure I'm putting them into new climbs.
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
You all really need to work on your quotation game.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Ben is standing behind you RIGHT NOW!!! 🤡
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
And it worked the other way around. I was right behind that "jackass", twice in three weeks! It was 100% worth all the online drama. Priceless!
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
auto donor list. https://rrgcc.networkforgood.com/
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Lol I guess he wants his "monthly payment" to be anonymous, unlike his turds laid in the middle of popular crags that other more competent developers have passed over for 30 years
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Thanks for posting the link. I highly recommend anyone that isn't already a monthly donor, figuring out a way to make that happen. One time donations are nice, but the reoccurring donation gives them some stability to speculate future purchase off of. If you've trolled on RRC and don't give a monthly donation, you are really special. Dink water instead of Ale 8 twice a month and you'll help pay off these lands quick!
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
I applaud anyone who donates. But donating and volunteering is not a hall pass to call other climbers cunts and assholes.
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Ian is a cunt, and it has nothing to do with his climbing. It has everything to do with his obsession with screenshots and his inability to be a mature adult. Community Bolt Dictator Ian went out of his way to hurt many people, including me, so I will never stop giving him shit. Especially after I let Ian and Erik know that I would meet up in person to squash the beef, and they were too chicken shit and childish to agree. I've told anyone that has an issue with me to meet in person, and all I ever heard was crickets from the critics. 1v1 BBall tourney at Miguel's? Seems like a good way to meet, and we may just be friends, after I drag you all! ;)
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Dude no one wants to be your "friend" until you stop ranting like a complete idiot on the internet... except maybe Ben lol
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
brain damage
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
That's good!😂 Touché!
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Think we all have dain bramage, otherwise we wouldn't be wasting our time climbing rocks.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
you clearly want nothing more than to be accepted by this community, why don’t you just try to take some of the criticism in stride? that would be enough for most people, because no one really cares beyond slinging shit... like what are you really trying to prove here man
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Mdjagg said on August 1st, 2020
You clearly haven't been keeping up; I'm not trying at all. If I was so desperate to fit in, I wouldn't have stood up for a guy that was getting piled on by the masses. And I wouldn't have called out Ian for being a douche bag. And I wouldn't have bolted some insane, adventurous line at Drive By that no one else was willing to work out to make climbable, and something only a handful of climbers will climb besides me (yeah, there's slab in it). And I wouldn't have bolted lines on the back side of an unpopular crag, knowing only 5.10 climbers would appreciate them. And I wouldn't go out of my way to help brand new climbers figure out how to climb safely, and add to the influx of newbs. And I wouldn't have taken out 4 people to show them how to bolt routes properly, knowing how much the scenesters love new developers and continued development. I could go on. I don't care abut your scene, and if you thought about this route name for more than a split second, you'd know it was a statement, and not just a part of the drive-by theme. I'm looking to make the Red better for all, and I don't care if you like my approach or not. There's a small handful of people that I take climbing and bolting advice from, and they never come in the form of Anon comments, I promise. Sign in, and stop hiding from the trolls.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
Toxic masculinity at its finest. I guarantee you that none of these comments are from women.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
Yeah no woman would waste her time interacting with Mjdagg, he's hopeless
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
Jaggypants the amateur carpenter arguing against mask use in public 4 days ago... he now has 4 deactivated accounts on Mountain Project haha: https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/119254515/gym-climbing-what-would-make-you-feel-safeer-returning-to-a-climbing-gym
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
People aren't posting anonymously to hide from the trolls bro, they're doing it to avoid you because you come off as mentally unstable
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Mdjagg said on August 1st, 2020
https://themodelhealthshow.com/maskfacts/
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Mdjagg said on August 1st, 2020
Just trying to help people out. Shawn is a master, and he would never put out bunk material. He has nothing to gain from it, and everything to lose. Already removed from YouTube, and the sheep can't deny these facts fast enough. If you have children, you need to watch this video. The scared MP admins couldn't handle the truth either. I even called it. You can see the quotes of me saying they'd kick me off for posting it. Pretty epic to be directly censored for sharing the truth. 2020!
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
Yet another thread of him annoying the shit out of everyone, calling bolting rock an "art form" (lol), and then going back and deleting his posts... weird that he never seems to quite grasp that people think he's an obnoxious idiot no matter where he show sup, it's not just limited to RRG "locals": https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/119157895/why-are-route-names-important
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
I thought people were being a little hard on this guy, but an anti-masker? That really tells you what you need to know.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
I also love to refresh the page of my new line 100 times a day to obsessively reply to every single comment in order to prove how little I care about people’s opinions
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
The guy seems to be labeled the village idiot no matter where he goes, yet never seems to put 2 and 2 together that he's the only common factor in all these encounters... textbook narcissism
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Mdjagg said on August 1st, 2020
I am not anti-mask. They are effective in certain situations. Shawn explains everything. But I'm sure you're smarter than him, so there's no need to learn more about something very few people know anything about. Luckily we have this guy to thank for breaking it down for us.
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AidClimber said on August 1st, 2020
Please God if you are real let this thread turn into an anti-mask rant by MdJagg amen
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
Fuck Shawn, he’s a flat earther. Ben knows all, and Ben wears a mask.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
This is all starting to make sense now... the Jagmeister is basically a younger version of Mike Cook
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Steezmcgee said on August 1st, 2020
"and I wouldn't have bolted some insane, adventurous line at Drive By that no one else was willing to work out to make climbable, and something only a handful of climbers will climb besides me (yeah, there's slab in it)." -mdjaggers Listen here bud, there are plenty of us who are 'willing to work out' and bolt 'adventurous' sport climbs at old established crags. But we choose to respect the crags and the history and bolt other choss... Please show some respect to the rest of us and think before you talk
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
“if you run into an idiot in the morning, you ran into an idiot. if you run into idiots all day long, you’re the idiot” -the art of war
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
Don’t disrespect Mike like that bro
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
My God, that picture is beautiful.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
dudes rock
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dustonian said on August 1st, 2020
That picture definitely wins the internet today hahaha ***** Just like this route
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
MDJAGG: Roadside is closed because Ian should have quietly reasoned with Jacob, sharing the community's expectations. ALSO MDJAGG: Here are my two dozen posts where reasoning with me doesn't work. I'm gonna do whatever I want, community be damned.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
Dear Jacob: Everyone has made stupid mistakes in their past. Everyone. That's fine, as long as you acknowledge the mistakes and sincerely try to fix them. We know you have an account here but you have been silent. Want to ever have acceptance in the RRG climbing community? You can, but it's not be letting Matt be your spokesman. First, publicly and clearly accept 100% responsibility for Roadside's closure. Second, disavow any notion that Matt is speaking for you in blaming Ian for community policing. Third, share with us your plan to make amends. Finally, follow through.
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Mdjagg said on August 1st, 2020
Oh man, the "Ben Loved Roadside" photo has me dying! Almost in tears. Best thing I've seen in a minute. You win the day for sure!
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
When Jaggers starts giving props to the trolls, you know he's up against the ropes.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
News flash----> The person least likely to get laid at Miguel's..... Matt Jaggers.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
I don't know, bad press is still press. I'm sure there's some horrid groupie camped out at my the cesspool that wants to wax the worst bolter the Red has ever seen. That's a thing right?
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
One zero zero
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
How is it already August 1? It’s currently 10:54 EST on July 31. This heavy discussion derailed time itself!
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climb2core said on August 1st, 2020
You guys are busy lately. Jagger, it’s simple. I’m not meeting with you because I don’t care about you. Whatever you have to say is meaningless to me and a waste of my time. But go ahead... you do you and I’ll continue to not give a fuck. However, maybe if you see Jacob you could ask him why he never followed through on his promises that would have restored access to Roadside. Now, back to the dumpster barbecue. I’m out
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
I would like to commemorate this 103rd comment in honor of Ben...may he one day be allowed to return to his favorite crag...Roadside
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
if you look at jacob's MP ticklist, you'll see he's been waaaay too busy climbing to do any trail work at roadside.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
regarding masks, i clicked on a couple research articles shawn says support his claim that masks are ineffective. the first article from a retired U of Chicago professor began with a disclaimer from the author stating that the data was limited. another article focused on that fact that the virus is much smaller than the openings between the woven threads of the cloth masks. this is a favorite point of facebook certified health experts, and it completely ignores that the virus doesn't just fly out of your mouth by itself, but instead is suspended in a much, much larger particle of spit that can be blocked by the mask. then there are analogies to wearing masks in surgery, as if an open surgical wound is the same as breathing air into your lungs. sorry dude, shawn has no expertise in virology. i'll stick with dr fauci, the 13th most cited scientist of all time out of over 2,000,000 published research scientist.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
I'll lay it out real simple for all you brainiacs. You don't wear a mask so you don't get the virus, you wear the mask so others don't get the virus. I know it is hard to wrap your head around but you can do it pea brain.
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climbhigh said on August 1st, 2020
damn, yall suck at internet fighting. that wasnt even fun, funny or constructive. im so old and out of touch with the happenings in the red, dont know what all happened. but, whatever the douchnozzles did this last time, wasnt what shut a crag down. its the previous years of fucktards not following the private land owners requests. last one is just the straw that broke jr's moms back.
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Anonymous said on August 2nd, 2020
make climbing great again
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whoneedsfeet said on August 2nd, 2020
Bump
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wsimek said on August 5th, 2020
Decent route, nowhere near 5 stars, but has a cool sequence pulling the bulge that reminded me of topping out a slopey boulder. Pretty clean and whatever chossy rock there is can be mostly avoided, besides the eroding belay base. Disappointed I didn't see a wild Ben out there though...the search continues.
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Anonymous said on August 5th, 2020
A major part of competent route development is managing erosion and creating a sustainable belay area, especially at busy crags...
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Mdjagg said on August 5th, 2020
The 5 stars was a troll, thought that was obvious. Yeah, the base has some treated lumber and stakes already, but could use one more potentially lower down. Glad you liked it. First comment from someone that actually climbs!
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Anonymous said on August 6th, 2020
every time I publicly trip over my own fucked up looking dick i was just trolling actually
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Anonymous said on August 6th, 2020
"5 stars was a troll," but still gave it a full 4 stars on mountain project.
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Mdjagg said on August 6th, 2020
Just thorough. And, I actually like this route a lot, 4.8 if the option existed;). My opinion may differ from your opinion, that's why there's a consensus rating. Perfect rock, great movement, and the beginning and end kick ass. Go climb it and maybe you'll be inspired to share your opinion too, or don't and keep wasting your energy on here complaining. I'm really curious if MTB's are as shifty of people to listen to about the trails they ride, or complain about trails they've never riden? You all act like more than 40 people in the entire world actually looks at this site. Reminder: you don't matter, regardless of what your mom tells you every night. Your opinion, and mine, doesn't mean shit to anyone. It's just an opinion, about something that doesn't matter.
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Anonymous said on August 6th, 2020
Wow, it is a good thing Captain Obvious(Maja) is here to explain how this website works. I'm pretty sure that the only consensus is that you are a raging douchebag.
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Mdjagg said on August 6th, 2020
😂 Everytime someone posts something anonymously, I like picturing Braxton, one of the nicest dudes down there, jacked up on Ale 8 just trolling away on 10 different computers! You people are fun. Make the Derp House Great Again, please!
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Anonymous said on August 6th, 2020
Agreed, definitely a raging douchebag. Would rate Mjdagg 0/5 stars "if the option existed ;)"
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Anonymous said on August 7th, 2020
Derp House is a shit hole, might suit you well. Also, "perfect rock" c'mon bro we can see the sandy rock scars. The Red is choss, nothing is perfect, #FreeBen
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Anonymous said on August 7th, 2020
"Listen here bud, there are plenty of us who are 'willing to work out' and bolt 'adventurous' sport climbs at old established crags. But we choose to respect the crags and the history and bolt other choss... Please show some respect to the rest of us and think before you talk" If you got so much "respect" for the crag and its "history" and think its such a bad addition, why dont you go chop the bolts yourself? Oh wait, you wont, cause your some little punk bitch behind a computer. If you had any sort of "respect" youd realize anyone has the ablility to rock climb anything they decide to equip if the land owner agrees to it. Just because it doesnt "look" good to you, or whatever kind of assumption youre trying to make before climbing the route, means nothing. Climbing is climbing and good or bad climbing is subjective to everyone. Fuck off and go climb some rocks instead of commenting your meaningless opinion on a meaningless thread.
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Anonymous said on August 7th, 2020
STFU Jaggybritches
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Anonymous said on August 7th, 2020
He will never shut up. He is a control freak who has to have the last word. He is a sociopath who is here to take on the entire troll nation. He will never back down, never keep quiet, and never do anything more than make himself look like a complete idiot. Which he is very good at doing.
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Anonymous said on August 7th, 2020
Ben’ last words will be I never stopped loving roadside.
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inwardj said on August 7th, 2020
The derphaus was never great, built on a shitty foundation, just like this route.
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Anonymous said on August 7th, 2020
I challenged MaJa to find another bolter who faced such a backlash in the 18 year history of this site. Challenge not accepted. Hey MaJa, let's say everyone climbed this route and gave it five stars, does that give you the right to piss off everyone again and again?
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Mdjagg said on August 7th, 2020
It's obvious you guys are pissing each other off. I'm just here enjoying the fun. Anyone who's emotional state is tied to me bolting and posting routes, needs help. There's just a couple of rules in climbing, leave other peoples routes alone, and leave as little of an impact on the environment as possible, the rest is just local etiquette. If someone is mad because I bolted a route that, again, no one cared for enough to bolt 30, 20, 10, or 5 years ago, then I dont know what to tell you. It's a great climb, it's a hard climb, and a LOT of people have already expressed interest in climbing on it. The headwall is incredible, and is worth the one sandy flake jug that you need to grab to climb it, and the boulder problem is insanely hard, and is extremely unique. Only time will tell who is wrong here, but I'd put money down that the majority of people will like it, regardless of your anonymous protests. And, theres more good climbs at established crags, and I'm thankful that most developers aren't interested in rescoping developed crags and leaving some for me. Theres 3 more lines that look amazing at very well known crags, and I'm sorry if you end up finding them a waste of bolts. If you'd like to start buying my hardware, then I'd start considering your opinion, but as it's not your money, or time invested, Im having a hard time understanding why I would care that you care at all. And you already know whats up, I don't, and you shouldn't eeither. Keep getting triggered when i post routes, and you'll keep running in circles here. To be able to climb and bolt at an amazing place like the Red, I don't mind putting up with the 5 snowflakes that patrol RRC, so keep trolling, and I'll keep bolting. See the difference in our contributions?
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Anonymous said on August 7th, 2020
Tl;dr
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Mdjagg said on August 7th, 2020
Lol
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Anonymous said on August 7th, 2020
tl;dr Anonymous comments and reviews of unclimbed routes do not matter to him. MaJa knows it’s his vitriol that provoking the backlash. The "you should climb it first" is a distraction technique. He knows it's nothing particular wrong with RRG climber culture. Either way, he’s still going to lie about the mods changing his descriptions, say he wishes people get maimed on his routes, minimize his buddy’s role in Roadside’s closure, ignore offers to help from experienced bolters. Either way, he's still going to blow up, then whine, then play like he's too cool to care.
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Anonymous said on August 7th, 2020
Yeah he's definitely a fragile narcissist with zero insight
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Anonymous said on August 8th, 2020
Mawjaw wasting his precious bolts is definitely not the concern, it's more that squeezed-in C-list "fill 'er in" turds that have been rejected by countless other more competent developers actually detract from the aesthetic of worthy surrounding routes and ultimately diminish the character and quality of old, long-established classic crags where no one needs or wants his gumby, self-congratulatory "contributions." The worst part is he lacks the climbing and life experience to have any sort of perspective into this and in fact repeatedly gratifies his own delicate ego by telling himself (and anyone else who will listen) what a great "service" he is doing for the "community" with his "art" LMAO
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Mdjagg said on August 8th, 2020
Well, theres plenty more to come, so hope you all are ready.
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Anonymous said on August 8th, 2020
tl;dr - We got Roadside closed. PMRP and Forest Service are next!
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Anonymous said on August 8th, 2020
If you start fucking up established crags with shitty squeeze jobs, save your time and money. They will be chopped. If you bolt it again, your bolts will be chopped again. I've got a cordless angle grinder, 3 spare batteries, and nothing better to do with my time.
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Anonymous said on August 8th, 2020
I'm no Jaggers defender but have you climbed any of the routes around the ampitheater at Drive-By? Have you even walked over there? I would bet that 90% of people who walk that cliff line do so as a short cut to get from Drive-By to Bob Marley. I don't really get the angst about this route (I mean, other than that it's directed at the developer). I've climbed the routes over there but am definitely in the minority among my friend group (they would complain when I asked them to walk over and belay me). Not to drag anyone else but I remember when there were some much more controversial routes just being put up at the "classic" part of Drive-By by other developers. One of those routes is now one of the most popular routes at the crag!
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Anonymous said on August 8th, 2020
Uh yeah it'll be a very cold day in hell when "Triggered" attains Kevin Wilkinson status lol 🙄
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Anonymous said on August 8th, 2020
society failed Matty, this is a perfect example of why we should all support better public care options for people on the spectrum
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Anonymous said on August 8th, 2020
This isn't a spectrum issue, this is an antisocial issue.
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Mdjagg said on August 8th, 2020
Based on everything I've read about this MawJaw, it's a gay, trump supporting, egotistical, anti-mask, death threat, home-made bolt making, squeeze job, bolt wasting, grass buying, sociopath, Ben's fav crag closing, life, climbing, and bolting inexperience issue. May have forgotten a few, you guys are creative.
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Anonymous said on August 8th, 2020
Your actions and conduct speak for themselves.
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Anonymous said on August 8th, 2020
Particularly those last three characteristics haha
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Anonymous said on August 9th, 2020
Yeah homie you played yourself so hard here and on MP, it's embarrassing
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Anonymous said on August 9th, 2020
this man is probably downright developmentally disabled or at the very least has a severe case of aspergers.. dunking on him is a laugh but starting to feel a bit discriminatory
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AidClimber said on August 9th, 2020
What if MaJa is actually the troll and we are the ones feeding into it oh my god
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Anonymous said on August 9th, 2020
I hope you're not suggesting WE stop making this person relevant.
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Anonymous said on August 9th, 2020
So we have a new problem in the gorge. Our new over achiever, Maaaa Jaaaa has rebolted three routes at Phantasia and has just left the old bolts in place. It has been over a month and, apparently he has no intention of removing them. Or is it that he has NO EXPERIENCE rebolting and has no clue how to remove the bolts? How 'bout Maaa Jaaa???? You going to clean up after your rebolting efforts? Better follow through junior.
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Cromper said on August 9th, 2020
I think a monkey in a top hat could rebolt a route. You’re definitely digging at the bottom of the barrel if you’re now shitting on him for not removing old bolts.
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Anonymous said on August 9th, 2020
But isn’t that what it means to rebolt a route? To pull the old bolts, try to reuse the holes (where practical) and replace the bolts? Just slopping new bolts near the existing bolts in and leaving is pretty sloppy work!
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Anonymous said on August 9th, 2020
It is awesome that now I think of Ma Ja as a monkey in a top hat but who is going to remove the bolts? Anyone? Anyone? Or are they just going to sit there forever cuz monkey in a top hat is too busy bolting garbage routes to finish the job?
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Cromper said on August 9th, 2020
You just need a 9/16 socket and some plumbing putty and 30 min. Anyone could do it.
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Anonymous said on August 9th, 2020
Why didn't the monkey in the top hat do it?
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Anonymous said on August 9th, 2020
Why don't you do it?
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Anonymous said on August 9th, 2020
Dude, that clown needs his drill taken away. I climbed pogue ethics with my wife the other day. His rebolt needs rebolted. My wife is 5.1’ or so and could reach his new bolt at the crux, a bolt down low in the plated runnels cams over a plate kinda auto locks the rope. And when you clip the like second to last with an 8” bone the biner tucks behind a plate. I had to hang the draws for her and I opted for half the old bolts. Seriously dude, your fucking retarded. It’s not that hard to think. Try it sometime before drilling a hole. Rat-Baby
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Anonymous said on August 9th, 2020
I meant to say, My wife is 5.1’ or so and could NOT reach his new bolt at the crux, a bolt down low in the plated runnels cams over a plate AND kinda auto locks the rope. And when you clip the like second to last with an 8” bone the biner tucks behind a plate. I’m always stoned, what’s your excuse?
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Anonymous said on August 9th, 2020
Anyway, while we’re on it, why are all the new routes bolted for the pink point? You spend more juice locking off trying to hang fucking draws on most of ‘em then you do climbing ‘em. Rat
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Anonymous said on August 9th, 2020
So Ma Ja fucked up a rebolting effort. Wow! Why does this not surprise me? What is wrong with this guy? So there are too many bolts at Phantasia and a lot of the new ones suck. Awesome! I can't wait to check out this eye sore, bolt botching job for myself.
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Anonymous said on August 9th, 2020
Who is going to clean up Matt Jagger's mess? This guy is a piece of work.
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Anonymous said on August 9th, 2020
Unfortunately, I think a monkey in a top hat would have done a better job
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Mdjagg said on August 9th, 2020
I need to update the list to add that it's a rebolt issue too! I've never rebolted any routes at phantasia, or anywhere for that matter. Captain Douchebag, aka Ian Kirk, controls the community bolts, and he doesn't like me,, so i will never rebolt a route in the Red. You guys got trolled again, just like Ian and Erik & Co trying to blame me for Roadside, and countless other tthings.Keep getting triggered by trolls, it's pretty funny to watch.
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Mdjagg said on August 10th, 2020
If Captain Screenshot didn't run off every competent bolter that's ever come along, OR the Coalition stripped away his sole control over the subsidized bolts, then maybe we wouldn't be left with Ian's Choice Bolter to botch these rebolts. Now that you guys have expressed so much outrage because you thought it was me, seems appropriate to try to find out who it was. These kinds of things always seem to be at least half Ian's fault. Who was it Ian?
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AidClimber said on August 10th, 2020
Ben
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Jared420_69 said on August 10th, 2020
If Ben would step forward and give clarity to this. Is he the hero we never knew we needed, maybe. #freeben
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Anonymous said on August 10th, 2020
Maja, you clearly have no idea how FGI works if you think the RRGCC has the authority to 'strip Ian's dictatorship of bolts' to my knowledge you are the only person in the history of FGI to ever get denied bolts, not hard to see why, you have no interest in helping or being a part of the community, but have no problem taking their handouts. My suggestion would be to stop posting on RRC, mp, and social media, lay low for a few years and actually make contributions to the RRG climbing community beyond bolting piles of sand at well established crags that multiple developers passed over decades ago. Go out in the woods, put in the work, explore, find your own choss, and maybe you'll eventually stumble on something worth building a trail to. Maybe after that people will start forget about how younger Maja made such an ass of themself a few years back. Why did 'your boy' say you rebolted Perverse Intentions if you didn't, and why are you just now dismissing that you did now that people are bitching about it?
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Anonymous said on August 10th, 2020
Anon above me is a fuckin clown. Who are you to assume anything about MAJA? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, and its sad to watch. Youll look back years later climbing somewhere in KY and realize that bitchin route you just climbed was bolted by maja and i hope you get sick to your stomach, loser.
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Anonymous said on August 10th, 2020
I'm majas daddy.
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Anonymous said on August 10th, 2020
RRGCC does not own, develop, or re-bolt routes. FGI is an entirely separate entity that fills this void to maintain the "abandoned gear" throughout the Gorge and provide subsidized hardware.
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Anonymous said on August 10th, 2020
Everyone who enters PMRP/MFRP/BRRP is legally required to sign the RRGCC's land use waiver. If you do not sign the waiver, you are a trespasser under Kentucky law. The waiver reads, "I acknowledge that the roads, hiking trails, bike trails, bridges, bolts, bolt hangers, fixed anchor routes are NOT MAINTAINED by the RRGCC." If you have not signed it, please go to rrgcc.org before climbing there again.
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Anonymous said on August 10th, 2020
I don’t like screenshots cuz I don’t like being accountable for my posts.
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climb2core said on August 10th, 2020
Just to set the record straight Maja. After you told me to meet you or you would find me when "I least expect it, and you and won't have a chance to explain" I decided that I had no interest in ever meeting up with you and wouldn't be handing you bolts. I did however put a message out to all the developers in the Red that they were welcome to get you bolts if they so desired. So, it's not just me that hasn't opted to give you community funded hardware. It has been the entire community of developers to date. And I still stand by my statement, anyone developer that has previously been a part of FGI for rebolting can get you hardware. Perhaps if you could just stop being such an ass for more than 5 minutes things would go better for you.
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climb2core said on August 10th, 2020
I'll add that I made that offer to all the developers on March 5th.
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Mdjagg said on August 10th, 2020
To set the record straight, you screenshot a MountainProject post of mine that had a simple typo in it, that i saw and fixed within 4 mins of me posting it, and your lurking bitch ass then turns around and plasters it onto my routes at Velo, which in turn ignites the troll storm that still exists to this day. You've never apologized, and you've never said you made a mistake in posting it in numerous places, so yes you still deserve what's coming to you. Until you "set the record straight" by apologizing and telling everyone you're an annoying punk bitch who needed another bogey man to take your place, then i hope you feel the need to look over your shoulder, and ultimately never feel comfortable in the Red again. If I run across you before this happens, you're going to wish you'd been a man and taken the steps to publicly rectify your wrongs. Anyone that has read my posts with any critical thought, or knows me personally, knows that what you did was an absolute falsification of the truth, posting the literal opposite of what was actually intended, and even after I contacted you to remove the screenshots, I still had to go through MountainProject admins, and Yasmeen to get them taken down. It's on you to acknowledge your cowardice, and that you were on a mission to demonize someone worse than you previously were. As much as I dont give a fuck about trolls, I do give a fuck about personal respect, so you can bet that I will still be looking for you every time I'm out, and until you decide to publicly acknowledge you fucked up, Ill be lurking for your punk ass. Simple as that. If you wanted some high-school drama because your emo bitch ass never made the leap to manhood, then you can have all you want. As for your bolts, I've offered to rebolt routes that need it, and you and Erik weren't interested in giving me bolts to do so, so I will never rebolt another person's route in the Red. If you weren't such a piece of shit, every bolter in the Red would be fixing up old routes with community subsidized bolts all year long, and you'd never need a Rebolt the Red Day where you are forced to bring in complete gumby volunteers to try to teach them how to install bolts correctly in a day. If every bolter I've ever talked to didnt avoid you like the plague, then everyday would be a Rebolt the Red Day, unfortunately for the community, they have to pay the cost of climbing on spinners because it's YOU, Ian Kirk, that have destroyed your relationship with everyone you've come across. Ive never asked any of my friends to get bolts from you, and I never will. Thankfully, full price bolts means I never have to deal with you, unfortunately it also means that routes will sit for that much longer with bad gear, all thanks to you. And based on the hate of your Phantasia rebolting efforts, you can't even find people to hand bolts to who can do a decent job with them. Why avoid the questions? Who's behind the new Phantasia botched rebolts? Is it you? It's not surprising that the ONLY person I was told to avoid in the Red, by several people, ended up the one person I have a real problem with, and it's you, Captain Fucking Screenshot. Btw, if you do apologize publicly, you can also let everyone know that you take 50% credit for getting Roadside closed, while you're in the spirit.
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Anonymous said on August 10th, 2020
So you were belaying Jacob that night at Roadside.
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Anonymous said on August 10th, 2020
Matt, you've had 4 or 5 "typos" threatening violence or wishing harm.
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climb2core said on August 10th, 2020
I am sorry for whatever wrongs and injustices you feel you have suffered at my doing. Hope your feelings are all better now.
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Anonymous said on August 10th, 2020
Ian was belaying Jacob? Plot twist!
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climb2core said on August 10th, 2020
RS closing was upon Jacob and the hundreds of others who systematically could not follow the simple rules. It's failure to re-open is 100% on Jacob who did not follow through with his promises to April that were conditioned on the re-opening.
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Anonymous said on August 10th, 2020
Lol that insane diatribe from Mahjong... best part is he actually thinks that Ian is the reason that no one likes him hahaha... such wishful thinking 😂
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Anonymous said on August 10th, 2020
Not to mention all that Mountain Proj drama went down way BEFORE he got himself banned from the site FOUR times haha
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Mdjagg said on August 11th, 2020
If that's your apology, Ian, then I'm sorry you even wasted your time typing it. Ive made several attempts, so at least at this point you'll whole heartedly know you deserve every bit of what's coming. It's simple, man. Admit that you were wrong, posting some fake bullshit about me, and this all blows over. Keep pretending like I'm some goon that threatens random people, and this will not blow over, the storm will forever be drawing closer and closer. And to the trolls, keep at it, you'll make a difference in this world one day. And to all your efforts, I think we've set an unbreakable record with the number of route comments on RRC. You guys are making history! Too bad you're anonymous and can't take any of the credit for all your hard work. And yes, break the one rule of climbing, by fucking with my routes, and you won't be a climber anymore. It's a shame that I need to threaten anonymous trolls to keep you all from fucking with people's routes, but i am deadly serious. Ive put my heart and soul into these lines, regardless of what you think of them, and risk my well being everytime I bolt a route. If someone intentionally damages or fucks up a route that ive put my time and money into, Ian's showdown will look like child's play. I dont fuck with other people's routes (including squeeze jobs), and I sure as hell dont threaten other people unprovoked, but i promise that if someone breaks the only fucking rule there is, on something ive put up, you will never climb another day in your life, I promise. Call that making threats if youd like, Ill call it troll hunting.
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
He poured his heart and soul into these mediocre turds LMAO that's super sad
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AidClimber said on August 11th, 2020
Ian vs Maja, super smash bros, 3 stock on final destination.
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
Damn climbers are the biggest and most whiney user group out there... Constantly bitching over things that don't matter, I thought road bikers were douches but you guys have proved climbers take the cake. I have never seen as big of cry babies as you guys, wow!
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
No one wanted you to "risk your well-being" by bolting anything, at long-established crags or otherwise... stop being such a martyr you little child
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
Don't fuck up other peoples routes by squeezing your turds in and you won't have to worry about it. Thus far it seems you've only done that to your own turds. You're Velo routes are turds between turds with turd variations branching off the turds. You should have named the middle one Turd sandwich with turds for bread and sand instead of mayo.
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Mdjagg said on August 11th, 2020
Likewise, no one wanted you to get triggered by another bad ass climb going in at a classic wall. You all bitched when i bolted some rando wall because it wasn't a good enough wall, then I bolted something on a wall that was too good, but is somehow nothing but choss, even though I've climbed it a bunch and nothing has ever broken. How about you save the 5.1, one star rating for after your weak ass gets shut down? Seems more appropriate to share your opinion about a route, after you've climbed it. Probably why you're posting anonymously, so you don't have to pull your foot out of your mouth once you realize it's an amazing line, and worth all 19 bolts (well, at least 17 (I placed two extra at the ledge to satisfy the anti perma crowd))... And... Ian only has 1 stock, and will be booted so far off the screen that mfing Piranha Plant couldnt even fly back.
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
NINETEEN bolts?!?! That's more than one bolt every 5 feet JFC 🙄
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
Like an anal sphincter I will chop any turd which is squeezed by Maja or others between established routes. The turdy smears of glue will be all that is left of offending bolts, soon to be covered again with lichen. I make this promise, let they Maja squeeze job forever be my batsign the sky. Yours Truly, The Turd Chopper
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Mdjagg said on August 11th, 2020
I would never bolt any line closer than the spacing that already exists at any given crag. I have major respect for anyone taking the time out of their life to bolt lines for us, and i would never fuck with anyone else's hard work. And regardless what you think about the lines at Velo, the community has spoken, everyone else thinks they're as good as i think they are. I climbed them again recently, and had a ton of fun, again. Funny how you unintentionally give away that you've never climbed them, and yet you still feel the need to bash them. Why do that? Go climb them, then tell me how shit they are. Have some respect for yourself, by at least be an informed critic. And, "you're" means "you are". Come on, dude, trolling isn't that hard.
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Mdjagg said on August 11th, 2020
If I accidentally squeeze job a route, I'd chop it myself. Fortunately, I climb the route ahead of time, and if necessary, any neighboring routes to be certain that never happens. Im thorough as fuck, and your dream of chopping one of my routes will never happen. Pinky swear.
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Mdjagg said on August 11th, 2020
...back to Phantasia. Ian, who's responsible for that mess, besides you?
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
Maja who rebolted Perverse Intentions?
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Mdjagg said on August 11th, 2020
Isn't that literally what I just asked Ian?
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
A Nov 13, 2017 comment on MP indicates that the 'Perverse Intetions' glue-ins are not new. Now that a couple years have passed, I hope whoever rebolted (or anyone else) can make it out there to remove the old bolts.
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Mdjagg said on August 11th, 2020
I nominate KylePurp for the job.
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climb2core said on August 11th, 2020
Pogue was rebolted by knowledgeable bolters donating their time to give back to the community. Pogue has suffered from numerous plated rebolts, leaving the route like swiss cheese. Should any placement need adjusting, I am sure that it will be taken care by them or another developer. If you are interested in shaming people, you should probably stick to people that are doing things that adversely affect the community or wish physical harm upon on others. Just so you're aware, I have never criticized your bolting or route choice and would not do so publicly. I know the thankless work that goes into it. However, I will call you out for douche baggery. I have zero doubts that you wrote what you intended. It was not a typo. Regardless, it's good that you at least were able to think better of your mistake and correct it. You should try that more often.
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Mdjagg said on August 11th, 2020
Another non apology from Captain Douchebag himself. Ive never wished harm on anyone. It was literally the exact intention of the thread, that I started, to call out reckless behavior that could potentially get someone hurt or killed, THE reason you don't fuck with other people's routes. Only an egotistical illiterate moron could have came to the conclusion that I wanted to see someone get hurt on one of my routes, especially when I was calling for the community to stand up against threats that would make routes more hazardous. Only you, Ian, would try your best to demonize someone to take the heat off of your punk ass. You're too big of a bitch to admit that it was you that got Roadside shutdown, and it was you, and only you, that would plaster a screenshot all over the internet because you wanted to be a hero. It's a real shame your wife can't take care of that for you. Btw, you didn't catch me doing shit, you simply implied something that wasn't accurate or true, and I hope it was worth it for you. I'm guessing in the end, it wouldn't have been.
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
When did the climbing government instate this one rule of climbing?? Bolts used to get chopped all the time when they were put in the wrong places and still do...
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
Dispassionate observer here: MaJagg defintely threatened lots of people in this thread lol. Which, you know, fair enough, some people are into fighting other people and that kind of thing.
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
https://www.redriverclimbing.com/RRCGuide/?type=route&id=2377
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
Lol Jaggy really wants that heartfelt apology... his fragile ego is so obviously butthurt haha
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Mdjagg said on August 11th, 2020
I just want Ian to acknowledge that there are consequences for going after someone he has never met before.. Usually that involves some sort of an apology. He's opted, on several occasions, to deny my attempts at resolving this like adults, so instead of swallowing his pride and shaking my hand, he has chosen to be a bitch and handle this the old fashioned way. That's on him. "I don't care about you", isn't going to work, when the reason you fucked with me in the first place is because of the same exact reason. You should learn how to start caring about people, otherwise you're going to run into people who actually stand up for themselves.
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
Well, he definitely doesn't "care" about you, and your behavior here and on MP has guaranteed that no one else has any respect for you either. By the way, for you own reference, there are actually explicit laws against making verbal threats against people, and doing it online counts.
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
Man, I really want some of his routes to get chopped just to see what he will do. I think Ben use to have a grinder.
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Mdjagg said on August 11th, 2020
Only a spoiled brat piece of shit, that's never considered anyone but themselves in their entire life would wish for that.
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
I heard the rogue turd chopper owns seven grinders. None of majas routes have qualified for his services yet. A waste of one's own time and money does not in itself summon the terd choppah.
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
I also vote for chopping only to see how Mawjaw reacts
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
Was the RRGCC notified about drilling these routes on their property? If not they should be chopped. Drilling them without coalition permission violated the ONLY rules they have for climbing on their property. Leave no trace, don’t landscape/ kill veg, and ask permission before bolting. If you didn’t ask you need to go remove your routes.
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
Matt Jaggers has some serious mental problems and I'm not trolling or trying to be funny. He clearly states that he does not openly threaten people he doesn't know and wants an apology after clearly threatening people. If he doesn't get an apology, he will resort to violence. He also clearly threatens people he doesn't know with violence so severe that they will never rock climb again. This can only be serious life changing injury or death. This person is sick in the head.
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
I expect RRGCC will have new developer guidelines soon. Old timers will complain about the iron fist. But, too many new people you don’t know driving in with drills. This is a crystal clear example of how the old system doesn’t work with today’s crowds.
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
If that is the case, I don't think anyone who has threatened violence and bodily harm towards other climbers, should be allowed to develop. Run this insane and openly hateful person out of the Red. His presence is toxic.
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SpikySkaKid said on August 11th, 2020
I am definitely concerned for you Mdjagg. Your anger, no matter who it is directed at, cannot be good for your soul, mental health, or the community that you supposedly care about.
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Jared420_69 said on August 11th, 2020
Holy fucking shitballlzzzz Batman can y’all just go back to climbing and bolting. This stopped being funny one hundred comments ago. Y’all sux that is all plz return to being pointless.
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
Said the troll who can't take anymore trolling.
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Jared420_69 said on August 11th, 2020
The irony is not lost on me
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
The RRGCC does have a guide line. They said the want written notification of the intent to bolt on their web site.
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
“ He also clearly threatens people he doesn't know with violence so severe that they will never rock climb again.” That wouldn’t be the case if you lame ass rock climbing thread browsing idiots were logged into your accounts and weren’t hiding behind a facade. Wanna fix this problem: have a logical conversation with someone and debate this shit. If you think it’s a bad route and Maja thinks it’s a good route, then you’re screwed, because this happens everyday in rock climbing and all over the world. Good luck, touch someone’s shit, you’ll probably get hit. Learn ya lesson.
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
There is a big difference between getting hit and never being able to climb again. Crippling someone on purpose for chopping a route is ridiculous as well as criminal. Even the threat is criminal and we have all the evidence to press charges right here on the website.
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shadow.ayala said on August 11th, 2020
I had a route chopped in the Red. Did I care? No. Did I do anything about it? Nope.
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Mdjagg said on August 11th, 2020
Well, Shadow, your line was chopped because it was a squeeze job, and you told me that. Nothing ive bolted, or ever will bolt, will fall into that category. And, I do happen to care. I dont work my ass off to invest hundreds of dollars into hardware, and days of my life into making PMRP a better place, so some spoiled rich kid can feel empowered for a day. I value this property, and my time far more than some piece of shit, do nothing tourist that has never given back to anything or anyone a day in their life. If standing up to anon trolls for threatening my hard work is crazy, then you can call me Beetlejuice or the Joker, or anything you'd like. I will follow through, and you will regret every decision of your life that led you to the point of chopping a perfectly good route.
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Anonymous said on August 11th, 2020
Matt, you don't need anything on this site. You also don't need the police knocking on your door asking questions. For your own good, log out, go for a walk, forget about this site for a few days.
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Cromper said on August 12th, 2020
This page needs a factory reset.
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Anonymous said on August 12th, 2020
you should be able to climb 12a before you’re allowed to bolt things or threaten people’s lives imo
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Mdjagg said on August 12th, 2020
I think at minimum, solid 12b. Starry Night exists, brah.
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Anonymous said on August 12th, 2020
Just going to say roadside closure is probably less because of Ian, Jacob, or Maaaaaahjang and more because April is a psycho bitch cunt that is having a psychological breakdown as we speak.
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Mdjagg said on August 12th, 2020
How about 1/4 credit goes to all parties. Jacob, The Belayer, Ian, and whoever invented the screenshot.
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Anonymous said on August 12th, 2020
The Terd Choppah is no tourist he lies in wait in the impoverished hollers of Zoe, always in wait to see if his services will be necessary. The Terd choppah will restore Shadows route, with pigsteaks permission, quite a good route indeed.
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Anonymous said on August 12th, 2020
With love like that, no wonder so few private property owners open their land to climbers long terms. Good luck too to Kipp. I know he want help developing Foxtown. But facts are facts. Unless you own it or have a long term written agreement with the owner, all that development can be for nothing.
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Anonymous said on August 12th, 2020
Been a minute but....Y’all know pussy exists and there is life outside of climbing correct? MJ, let it go; seriously. Do your thing but shut the fuck up. Threaten ppl and see where it gets you. Just do your thing, be quiet, and nobody will know about your art/passion that you don’t care/take seriously but do. Bolt lines and be the humble/artistic/don’t care person you pretend to be. Kudos. Also, you are a “tourist” Pull that line one more time and I’ll have to ask for your “local” card; Louisville boy. I’m one of them as ville boys as well And lived there. I ain’t a local... so, drop that shit. YOU are a tourist mofo. You didn’t exist 20 years ago and you could not exist now And nothing would change, that’s a blessing. Feed the troll but really shut up.If you’re helol bent on fighting, hit me up.I got no dog in this fight but, I’m down to roll; no matter why. You wanna sucker punch Someone, like a bitch; just know; shit comes around. point. We can have a good ol cock fight of slapping dicks or roll in the grave, either way; I’m game. , Nobody is looking even good enough In this thread for a 3am last call fuck at this Point, just fucking chill. Half these twats are talk anyway, as are you prolly. Don’t care. Just find a hobby and immerse yourself and keep it to you, unless you need the attention. Which it seems that way of late. I don’t know dick of any of the drama of RS and such, and I keep it that way. But goddamn y’all need to ducking hug it out, talk, walk away. As for the rest of the “community” glad to see climbing is still gayer than ever. Can’t wait til it cools off so I can come play in the wonderful world of PAssive agressive twatwaffles. . Hugs and kisses, suck a baby dick. -JR. Just so you know, not everyone here is afraid to post a name. I’ll buy the first round of drinks. After that...fighting or fucking. Oxox
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Anonymous said on August 14th, 2020
Too bad I don't live anywhere close to the red now. I would've chopped all the routes you bolted you fucking clown.
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Anonymous said on August 14th, 2020
Yeah there is no doubt that mawjag is a total and complete clown of the highest order
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Anonymous said on August 14th, 2020
Agreed, he's one of those people that make it embarrassing to be a rock climber
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ray said on August 14th, 2020
mdjagg, please, do not reply. Take your fingers off the keyboard and take a walk.