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Sojourner Truth

This route is located in the Southern Region at Drive-By Crag

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Fleeing the Scene 5.11b (Sport) ***

First Ascent: Matthew Jaggers, Shuhan Li in 2020
Length: 65ft
Bolts: 7 (report bad bolts/anchors)

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If you're expecting all slab, then you'll be shook by the steep finale. The grade comes from the cruxy start, and the steep finish. Don't be expecting an easy onsight, this route's chalk and ticks get rained off pretty quickly. Welcome the clean rock and get creative!
Moves: Crimps, Slopers, Jams
Descent: Quick Links on Anchors
Stays Dry: Does not stay dry
Owner: RRGCC
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Submitted by: Anonymous
Date: Jul 31st, 2020

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Submitted by: Mdjagg
Date: Jul 22nd, 2020

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Date: Jul 22nd, 2020

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Jared420_69 said on July 24th, 2020
3,2,1.......
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Anonymous said on July 24th, 2020
As much as I love the Mdjagg-hate threads, I'm personally not offended by this line. It's one thing to bolt a choss-pile in the middle of one of the most popular crags, but filling in an area that no one climbs on seems like a fine place for a gumby bolter.
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Anonymous said on July 25th, 2020
Yet he still finds an ego-sustaining need to spray down as soon as the bolts go in though haha
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Anonymous said on July 25th, 2020
Agree; this sort of development seems worthwhile. Trying, myself, to give this kid a second (or fifth?) chance to redeem himself and learn to be humble and kind. This looks like an OK line and certainly not encroaching on a crowded/grid area.
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Anonymous said on July 27th, 2020
Yeah this sideshow slab is a more appropriate exercise in gumby bolting, right down to the obligatory 5-star self-rating lol
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Anonymous said on July 27th, 2020
Gumby Bolter Lives Matter
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Anonymous said on July 27th, 2020
if you had to pick between this line having been bolted or roadside still being open, which would you pick?
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Rx2Climb said on July 27th, 2020
DAMMMMMNNNNNN!!!!!
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Anonymous said on July 27th, 2020
I'm gonna lead this route on gear while chopping the bolts with an angle grinder, ground up bitches!!!
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Anonymous said on July 27th, 2020
How sad it must be to become the reigning clown prince of the Red in only 6 months LMAO
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Anonymous said on July 29th, 2020
I guess gym bolting is in again. 7 bolts in 65ft?!? Save some bolts and glue next time.
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Anonymous said on July 29th, 2020
Not a fan of the way Jaggers engages the community, but the bolt density of this one is lower than both of its neighbors which were bolted by Kipp almost a decade ago.
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Anonymous said on July 30th, 2020
Huh? Actually Kipp's neighboring routes have one less bolt and he didn't feel the need to fluff the length or quality self-assessment on here 🙄
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Mike Bond said on July 30th, 2020
+1 MJag-DBag needs to learn to deal with human beings and lose the ego, but nothing too dense about 7 bolts in 65ft. Pretty standard, and it is, afte rall, not consistently steep.
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Mdjagg said on July 30th, 2020
I'll be baking cookies this weekend for everyone in PMRP, available to those who fill out a Comment Card providing critical feedback on my routes. I'll also be providing a list of all of my potential routes that I've been looking at so that I can get your personal permission and approval on what I should and shouldn't bolt next. I'm extra interested in what Ben and Dustin think, as they have proved to be such a huge force for hope, positivity, and progress in the Red. I'm really hoping for a good turnout so that I can have some quality community engagement, and also meet the faces behind all the loving and supportive Anon messages. It means the world to me that you humans have taken time out of your stressful and busy day to try to save me money on bolts and glue, and for trying to guide me towards the light of only bolting lines worthy of our forefathers. Your support and encouragement is so helpful and kind, that I thought I'd show my appreciation, not by investing money into the walls we all love, but into baked goods, knowing just how well they go with a 12 pack of Ale 8, to keep you crushing all day. I do this for you, dear Community. Ben, and Dustin, Ill bake you two extra special treats because I know how much time and energy you've put into making me feel welcome and apart of this super hip scene. Bro's, the love has been received, and I can't thank you enough. Come get your warm baked deliciousness this weekend! And sorry for the fluff, this line is actually much, much closer to 64ft, and 4.8 stars.Thanks for keeping me in check, and the details precise! Be sure to keep the comments flowing, you're making the world a better place, one thoughtful comment at a time.
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Anonymous said on July 30th, 2020
Yep, he's still a douche
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Mdjagg said on July 30th, 2020
See...Thoughtful!
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AidClimber said on July 30th, 2020
What kinda cookies?
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Mdjagg said on July 30th, 2020
I feel like I need a community consensus before deciding what kinds. You tell me! But of course, no matter the type, I'll have plenty of gluten free options, too. I'm always lookin out for you, Ben. .
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Anonymous said on July 30th, 2020
Fuck it. Let’s just clear cut the place, grid bolt every thing, add 3’ pieces of chain to every 5th bolt {‘cause you know it was drilled in the wrong spot}, and put red tags on all of it. When we’re done bolting we can leave fixed lines every where to rot. Most of them hanging from the cliff. Seriously, I’m in! I want a book that future generations can pick up and see some where between its covers, that I, Rat-Baby, advanced the human race by bolting some shit pile.
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Anonymous said on July 30th, 2020
Sounds like Rat Baby understands what it takes to develop a crag. I would rather be guilty of those things than act like every other climber with their nose buried in the guidebook, shitting in the woods, leaving trash everywhere, and spraying how cool I am for getting the 172nd ascent of whatever route.
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Anonymous said on July 30th, 2020
Hey Rat Baby, if you really want to advance the human race, you might want to post more anonymous emotional rants. I'm pretty sure that will do it.
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Anonymous said on July 30th, 2020
Rap bolting sport routes, the true definition of daring, adventurous rock climbing. So pure and pristine.
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ray said on July 30th, 2020
Hey Rat Baby! Have you done Delusions of Grandeur and/or the V8 (V7?) layback left of Kris Kline's Corner? Can't figure them out and nobody ever climbs them!
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Anonymous said on July 30th, 2020
you are fucking clown shoes uncle, I will literally bare knuckle box your old weak spectrum ass if I ever see you out at a wall
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Ray! Yeah man, I’ve done em. There’s a sweet problem that starts on delusions and goes right to the arete and up. It’s like a 7 or an 8, and doesn’t look like much, but its one of the best. I doubt its in the book. Rat-baby P.S. don’t tell me your out there in this shit!?! I’m out in this shit, but I wouldn’t be out in that shit!
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Horatio Felacio is getting lazy. He’s gotta be comment #25.
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ray said on July 31st, 2020
Sick Richard! Man I would love to see how you do those. Delusions is crazy! I've spent several hours on that thing trying to figure it out. No man ain't no way in hell I'm up there in the snake jungle right now
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
you know what? Rock climbing is pretty freaking fun. You should try it! The RRG is probably the single best sport climbing area on the planet. Enjoy it. While MJag's attitude is absurd, so is the vitriol of the anons. This is probably a 1 or 2 star line, but there are plenty worse in the gorge. It is not a squeeze job or link up (please lets not devolve to that); its an independent line that appears to be reasonably protected. Let this one go. It is probably a reasonable contribution from a somewhat unreasonable gumby developer. Dude is so young, he will have decades still to regret his actions and words on here and MP.com. He's young agro and dumb, but this line is not an example of that.
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Ad Hominem attacks only work if they have a hint of truth to them. Funny listening to a wanna-be trying to sum me up when you've obviously never met me. Quite flattering remarks, actually. Dudes, and Ben, I'm going to bolt whatever the fuck I want, so get over it, and get your gamer keyboards ready, because these little comment sections are the only place to voice your grievances when you predictably get personally offended. No one in this world gives a fuck. BTW, if anyone would like to learn how to bolt in the steep with glue ins, I'll be taking applications. Ben, this would have been a great opportunity for you, but sadly you must be able to carry a 90+lbs pack to pparticipate. Sorry, bud.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
You got a time machine ray? I’ll break a hip trying to sit start anything these days. This winter I’ll have to come down there and epic on the ladder boulder! The rat.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
no one gives a shit if you bolt fuckpiles out in miller fork, if it was actually about “the pursuit of the pure line bro” why are you trying to graffiti your bitch made name in next to actual developers? there’s dozens of people that actively bolt shit and they all manage to do it without turding all over a 30 year old crag... and don’t even get me started on getting roadside closed... i hope you get COVID
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Cromper said on July 31st, 2020
An aside: Who is Ben?
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Jacob and Ian both made horrible decisions, and the place is closed, and it is a shame they couldn't figure out how to deal with one another without running to tell mom. Please don't pretend the developers of 30 years ago had some special anointment that we are no longer posses. They were doing the exact same thing that I'm doing, finding something they want to climb, and then doing the work to make that possible. And we actually own the land now too, where as they didn't. If there's a safety hazard on one of my routes, then tell me and I will fix it, otherwise there's nothing to say.. Routes go up all the time that no one will ever climb, so long as the developer had fun working it and opening it, then it was worth it. Boycott my routes, it won't change a thing. Climb them and give them 1 star, you won't change a thing. You are not a factor. I've enjoyed all of my experiences giving back to the coalition, sorry you had higher expectations for me. I suggest you either take up bolting permits on coalition land with the coalition so you could hopefully become a fascist overlord and cancel all bolting at your favorite walls, or you learn to live with the idea that people will be investing into this property for years to come.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Who belayed Jacob that night?
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Ian probably knows. Ask him for a screen shot or two.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
#freeben
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
#justice4ben
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Mdjagg, here's your challenge. This site has been going since 2002. In those 18 years, the Webers bought the undeveloped Muir Valley (2004) and the RRGCC bought the undeveloped Miller Fork (2013). In those 18 years, 1000 new routes were developed in these areas, and more developed elsewhere. A lots of people took up bolting in those 18 years. This site has over 100,000 comments and posts now. I can tell you've looked through a lot of those comments. You say The Red isn't welcoming to new developers. ***** I challenge you to find another person who started bolting in the past 18 years who has provoke such a backlash.**** Show us the threads. If you can't, don't blame the community cus' the community doesn't just dump on new developers. The community didn't just happen to change 18 years of behavior the day you finished your first route. Ask yourself why YOU are causing the backlash. (Hint: It's not your routes.)
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
It’s cause Ben has turned everybody against him.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
These routes, and especially the shit pile project on the main wall are like some dumb kid pinning his shitty scribbled art work on the wall of the Guggenheim.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
the fact you even try to compare what you do to what actual developers did is further proof this is some heavy ego shit for you... the key difference here is back in the day they were actually out bushwhacking finding new stuff and properly cleaning lines off... there’s plenty of opportunity to do that still, but maybe not at the oldest, highest trafficked, and most established crags in the red? link me out to one single thing you’ve bolted in Miller fork and I’ll admit you’re the exact same person as Kipp lmao. You “just need to bolt it cuz I need to climb it” but regularly accost people out at the gallery on 5 star 11s like “DAMN BRO WHATS THAT LINE IVE NEVER SEEN THAT ONE BEFORE” and it’s like dude maybe you could climb even a couple of the classics before you decide nothing currently bolted lives up to your chode ass vision. Insecure cuck bitch never got laid in high school and now we all have to deal with it? fuck outta here, and your bitch friends too getting roadside closed just so he can spray about sending 11d 🤡 🤡 🤡
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
it’s also some bird brained shit to say you’ll listen to criticisms on safety when we were all there for trail wars and watched you pitch an absolute shit fit when people pointed out if you need an extendo perma on the 2nd bolt on 5.10 it’s bolted poorly
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Yawn. This shit is so boring. Glad I could take the heat off of Ian, he ate shit for long enough and deserved the break, even after getting Roadside shut down and causing major drama that hurt several people in the process. This site doesn't hate "new" developers, you all hate literally anyone that has contributed anything to the area. I challenge you to find more than a few threads that don't involve people acting like complete children, harassing anyone with a question or comment. Good luck. And I love how everyone here thinks my routes are trash,, yet have never climbed them,, and the rest of the world that ACTUALLY climbs thinks they are solid 3+ stars and have fun climbing them. Im not concerned with the transplant's fragile ego's, and you all can thank Ray for providing a place to vent your childhood trauma. Everyone, go comment something mean on one of my routes, my feels are about to get hurt.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
“I’m not mad I’m laughing and bored actually lol”
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Ben, I don't think you know how quotation marks work, little dude. "Lol".
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Fact: Ian never night climbed at Roadside.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Umm....there are like 500 routes where the comments are all "great find," "instant classic," "thanks for bolting."
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
“Post through your childhood trauma” I say as I constantly ignore valid critiques to instead talk more about my hurt feelings
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Fact: Ian got two amazing people kicked out of their home, and destroyed relationships and almost a business. He's a child, like the rest of you. I'll be out climbing and bolting, let me know when you all contribute something to the area, besides downgrading routes before you've even seen them. And... Share the Lain is perfectly safe, just climbed it last weekend. It was my choice to put one clip in the low crux, or two, and I chose to put one. If you're scared, you can always walk up onto the ledge and stick clip the 5th bolt. Let me know if you'd like a consultation credit on my next route, and you can hold my hand while marking out the bolts.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Wonderful people = the people that I bought weed from.
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
What? Trolls are the weirdest creatures. Talking about 5 star 11's and buying weed. Let's get back to my homemade bolts that don't exist while we're at it.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
The problem with Matt Jaggers is not his new route selections, his bolting, being new to the scene, or even whatever situation happened at Roadside. The backlash and community distain for Matt Jaggers is this... He simply can not stay silent when the trolls come knocking on his door. The trolls knock, he answers. They knock again, he answers again. The just don't stop knocking and he just doesn't stop answering the door. Matt Jaggers has zero restraint when the trolls come knocking. If he could just stop answering the door, they would go away. The only way to shut down trolls is to IGNORE them. And any response, by anyone, to a troll, is always worded with emotion and unkind words that blow back on that person. When someone crank calls you over and over and over, do you keep answering the phone??? If your neighbors are loud all the time and you keep screaming at them from across your yard, the other neighbors think you're crazy. I don't dislike Matt Jaggers at all but his responses to the trolls make him look like a ego driven asshole. He is probably a nice guy but if you hang out with trolls long enough, they rub off on you. Hey Matt, do yourself a favor and stop answering the door. Eventually they will go away. This is not some bully at high school where you need to stand up for yourself. It is a minefield that for some reason you choose to continue to walk in to.
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
I agree. I actually don't mind the trolls though, it's cheap entertainment. Plus, I get to make fun of Ian and Erik, and Ben here and there, so it's worth it. Erik seems like a decent guy, with a stick up his ass. Ben is just a kid, so he'll learn how to talk about people behind their back when they're not 20 ft from him (TWICE!) at some point in his life. Ian... there's no hope for that guy. Captain ScreenShot will live on forever.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
I use trails I didn't build, across land I didn't pay for, to routes I didn't develop, clipping bolts I didn't replace, potentially rescued by SAR I don't volunteer with. And I'll use this website I don't maintain to tell you this: No one but me contributes anything.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Unfortunately it's a lot more than just his habit of "responding to trolls"... the guy is a legit toxic asshole, arrogant as fuck, and has zero insight into what an inexperienced clown he is despite having extremely limited bolting or even climbing experience.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Yeah his claim that no one else "does anything to help the Coalition" except for him is so fucking wrong and self-gratifying it's hilarious... guy has no clue whatsoever
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Ben is watching you
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
I guess I should cancel my monthly payment to the Coalition, and stop helping with trails. And let me know if there's any SAR opportunities, my skills would fit in really well for that volunteer service, and I would like nothing more than to help people out who need it. As far a rebolting goes, unfortunately you all have allowed a monolithic dictatorship to control the community subsidized pile of hardware that is meant for replacing old rusties. I have offered many times to help replace bolts, but Ian is a cunt, and unilaterally decides who gets to use the community's bolts. Strip him of that power and I will replace whatever needs replacing. I've even offered to replace bolts at one of the most difficult crags to get to. I'm not spending my own money replacing bolts on climbs I didn't put up. Contact the FA, or tell Ian that the subsidized bolts are ours, and not his. If I'm buying my own hardware at full price, you can be sure I'm putting them into new climbs.
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
You all really need to work on your quotation game.
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Ben is standing behind you RIGHT NOW!!! 🤡
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
And it worked the other way around. I was right behind that "jackass", twice in three weeks! It was 100% worth all the online drama. Priceless!
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
auto donor list. https://rrgcc.networkforgood.com/
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Lol I guess he wants his "monthly payment" to be anonymous, unlike his turds laid in the middle of popular crags that other more competent developers have passed over for 30 years
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Thanks for posting the link. I highly recommend anyone that isn't already a monthly donor, figuring out a way to make that happen. One time donations are nice, but the reoccurring donation gives them some stability to speculate future purchase off of. If you've trolled on RRC and don't give a monthly donation, you are really special. Dink water instead of Ale 8 twice a month and you'll help pay off these lands quick!
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
I applaud anyone who donates. But donating and volunteering is not a hall pass to call other climbers cunts and assholes.
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Ian is a cunt, and it has nothing to do with his climbing. It has everything to do with his obsession with screenshots and his inability to be a mature adult. Community Bolt Dictator Ian went out of his way to hurt many people, including me, so I will never stop giving him shit. Especially after I let Ian and Erik know that I would meet up in person to squash the beef, and they were too chicken shit and childish to agree. I've told anyone that has an issue with me to meet in person, and all I ever heard was crickets from the critics. 1v1 BBall tourney at Miguel's? Seems like a good way to meet, and we may just be friends, after I drag you all! ;)
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
Dude no one wants to be your "friend" until you stop ranting like a complete idiot on the internet... except maybe Ben lol
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Anonymous said on July 31st, 2020
brain damage
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
That's good!😂 Touché!
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Mdjagg said on July 31st, 2020
Think we all have dain bramage, otherwise we wouldn't be wasting our time climbing rocks.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
you clearly want nothing more than to be accepted by this community, why don’t you just try to take some of the criticism in stride? that would be enough for most people, because no one really cares beyond slinging shit... like what are you really trying to prove here man
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Mdjagg said on August 1st, 2020
You clearly haven't been keeping up; I'm not trying at all. If I was so desperate to fit in, I wouldn't have stood up for a guy that was getting piled on by the masses. And I wouldn't have called out Ian for being a douche bag. And I wouldn't have bolted some insane, adventurous line at Drive By that no one else was willing to work out to make climbable, and something only a handful of climbers will climb besides me (yeah, there's slab in it). And I wouldn't have bolted lines on the back side of an unpopular crag, knowing only 5.10 climbers would appreciate them. And I wouldn't go out of my way to help brand new climbers figure out how to climb safely, and add to the influx of newbs. And I wouldn't have taken out 4 people to show them how to bolt routes properly, knowing how much the scenesters love new developers and continued development. I could go on. I don't care abut your scene, and if you thought about this route name for more than a split second, you'd know it was a statement, and not just a part of the drive-by theme. I'm looking to make the Red better for all, and I don't care if you like my approach or not. There's a small handful of people that I take climbing and bolting advice from, and they never come in the form of Anon comments, I promise. Sign in, and stop hiding from the trolls.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
Toxic masculinity at its finest. I guarantee you that none of these comments are from women.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
Yeah no woman would waste her time interacting with Mjdagg, he's hopeless
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
Jaggypants the amateur carpenter arguing against mask use in public 4 days ago... he now has 4 deactivated accounts on Mountain Project haha: https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/119254515/gym-climbing-what-would-make-you-feel-safeer-returning-to-a-climbing-gym
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
People aren't posting anonymously to hide from the trolls bro, they're doing it to avoid you because you come off as mentally unstable
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Mdjagg said on August 1st, 2020
https://themodelhealthshow.com/maskfacts/
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Mdjagg said on August 1st, 2020
Just trying to help people out. Shawn is a master, and he would never put out bunk material. He has nothing to gain from it, and everything to lose. Already removed from YouTube, and the sheep can't deny these facts fast enough. If you have children, you need to watch this video. The scared MP admins couldn't handle the truth either. I even called it. You can see the quotes of me saying they'd kick me off for posting it. Pretty epic to be directly censored for sharing the truth. 2020!
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
Yet another thread of him annoying the shit out of everyone, calling bolting rock an "art form" (lol), and then going back and deleting his posts... weird that he never seems to quite grasp that people think he's an obnoxious idiot no matter where he show sup, it's not just limited to RRG "locals": https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/119157895/why-are-route-names-important
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
I thought people were being a little hard on this guy, but an anti-masker? That really tells you what you need to know.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
I also love to refresh the page of my new line 100 times a day to obsessively reply to every single comment in order to prove how little I care about people’s opinions
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
The guy seems to be labeled the village idiot no matter where he goes, yet never seems to put 2 and 2 together that he's the only common factor in all these encounters... textbook narcissism
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Mdjagg said on August 1st, 2020
I am not anti-mask. They are effective in certain situations. Shawn explains everything. But I'm sure you're smarter than him, so there's no need to learn more about something very few people know anything about. Luckily we have this guy to thank for breaking it down for us.
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AidClimber said on August 1st, 2020
Please God if you are real let this thread turn into an anti-mask rant by MdJagg amen
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
Fuck Shawn, he’s a flat earther. Ben knows all, and Ben wears a mask.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
This is all starting to make sense now... the Jagmeister is basically a younger version of Mike Cook
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Steezmcgee said on August 1st, 2020
"and I wouldn't have bolted some insane, adventurous line at Drive By that no one else was willing to work out to make climbable, and something only a handful of climbers will climb besides me (yeah, there's slab in it)." -mdjaggers Listen here bud, there are plenty of us who are 'willing to work out' and bolt 'adventurous' sport climbs at old established crags. But we choose to respect the crags and the history and bolt other choss... Please show some respect to the rest of us and think before you talk
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
“if you run into an idiot in the morning, you ran into an idiot. if you run into idiots all day long, you’re the idiot” -the art of war
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
Don’t disrespect Mike like that bro
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
My God, that picture is beautiful.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
dudes rock
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dustonian said on August 1st, 2020
That picture definitely wins the internet today hahaha ***** Just like this route
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
MDJAGG: Roadside is closed because Ian should have quietly reasoned with Jacob, sharing the community's expectations. ALSO MDJAGG: Here are my two dozen posts where reasoning with me doesn't work. I'm gonna do whatever I want, community be damned.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
Dear Jacob: Everyone has made stupid mistakes in their past. Everyone. That's fine, as long as you acknowledge the mistakes and sincerely try to fix them. We know you have an account here but you have been silent. Want to ever have acceptance in the RRG climbing community? You can, but it's not be letting Matt be your spokesman. First, publicly and clearly accept 100% responsibility for Roadside's closure. Second, disavow any notion that Matt is speaking for you in blaming Ian for community policing. Third, share with us your plan to make amends. Finally, follow through.
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Mdjagg said on August 1st, 2020
Oh man, the "Ben Loved Roadside" photo has me dying! Almost in tears. Best thing I've seen in a minute. You win the day for sure!
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
When Jaggers starts giving props to the trolls, you know he's up against the ropes.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
News flash----> The person least likely to get laid at Miguel's..... Matt Jaggers.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
I don't know, bad press is still press. I'm sure there's some horrid groupie camped out at my the cesspool that wants to wax the worst bolter the Red has ever seen. That's a thing right?
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
One zero zero
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
How is it already August 1? It’s currently 10:54 EST on July 31. This heavy discussion derailed time itself!
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climb2core said on August 1st, 2020
You guys are busy lately. Jagger, it’s simple. I’m not meeting with you because I don’t care about you. Whatever you have to say is meaningless to me and a waste of my time. But go ahead... you do you and I’ll continue to not give a fuck. However, maybe if you see Jacob you could ask him why he never followed through on his promises that would have restored access to Roadside. Now, back to the dumpster barbecue. I’m out
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
I would like to commemorate this 103rd comment in honor of Ben...may he one day be allowed to return to his favorite crag...Roadside
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
if you look at jacob's MP ticklist, you'll see he's been waaaay too busy climbing to do any trail work at roadside.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
regarding masks, i clicked on a couple research articles shawn says support his claim that masks are ineffective. the first article from a retired U of Chicago professor began with a disclaimer from the author stating that the data was limited. another article focused on that fact that the virus is much smaller than the openings between the woven threads of the cloth masks. this is a favorite point of facebook certified health experts, and it completely ignores that the virus doesn't just fly out of your mouth by itself, but instead is suspended in a much, much larger particle of spit that can be blocked by the mask. then there are analogies to wearing masks in surgery, as if an open surgical wound is the same as breathing air into your lungs. sorry dude, shawn has no expertise in virology. i'll stick with dr fauci, the 13th most cited scientist of all time out of over 2,000,000 published research scientist.
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Anonymous said on August 1st, 2020
I'll lay it out real simple for all you brainiacs. You don't wear a mask so you don't get the virus, you wear the mask so others don't get the virus. I know it is hard to wrap your head around but you can do it pea brain.
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climbhigh said on August 1st, 2020
damn, yall suck at internet fighting. that wasnt even fun, funny or constructive. im so old and out of touch with the happenings in the red, dont know what all happened. but, whatever the douchnozzles did this last time, wasnt what shut a crag down. its the previous years of fucktards not following the private land owners requests. last one is just the straw that broke jr's moms back.
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Anonymous said on August 2nd, 2020
make climbing great again
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whoneedsfeet said on August 2nd, 2020
Bump
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wsimek said on August 5th, 2020
Decent route, nowhere near 5 stars, but has a cool sequence pulling the bulge that reminded me of topping out a slopey boulder. Pretty clean and whatever chossy rock there is can be mostly avoided, besides the eroding belay base. Disappointed I didn't see a wild Ben out there though...the search continues.
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Anonymous said on August 5th, 2020
A major part of competent route development is managing erosion and creating a sustainable belay area, especially at busy crags...
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Mdjagg said on August 5th, 2020
The 5 stars was a troll, thought that was obvious. Yeah, the base has some treated lumber and stakes already, but could use one more potentially lower down. Glad you liked it. First comment from someone that actually climbs!
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Anonymous said on August 6th, 2020
every time I publicly trip over my own fucked up looking dick i was just trolling actually