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This route is located in the Southern Region at Bronaugh Wall

The Odyssey (Closed Project)


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Possessio Denouement 5.11 (Sport) ***

First Ascent: Matthew Jaggers, Zach Wilson in 2020
Length: 80ft
Bolts: 9 (report bad bolts/anchors)

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Start in the cave on steep jugs, crank up to a short shelf traverse, then tackle the boulder problem on the face to gain a standing rest. Follow, or dodge the bolt line to the 4th clip, then enjoy consistant climbing on positive holds to the anchor. If this is at your limit, a non-critical .5 or .75 cam placement next to the start hold can protect the first couple of moves made just a few feet over a soft sandy landing. Stick clip 100% recommended.
Moves: Crimpy, Platey, Juggy
Descent: Lower-Offs
Stays Dry: Light rain
Owner: RRGCC
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Submitted by: Mdjagg
Date: Sep 25th, 2020

Submitted by: Mdjagg
Date: Sep 25th, 2020

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Anonymous said on September 25th, 2020
disrespectful title, given the context.
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Anonymous said on September 25th, 2020
Please change the title. "Two Women Alone" is about love between two people, one of whom is now deceased. Don't mar that memory with a route name that will be perceived as your base fantasy.
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Anonymous said on September 25th, 2020
Jaggers finds new ways to be an ass with each new route.
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Shannon said on September 25th, 2020
I do not know you, Matthew Jaggers, and you obviously do not know me. And perhaps there is no way you would have known that the route name, “Two Women Alone” that your new route is riffing off was bolted by my late wife who passed away in 2014 and was meant as a love letter from her to me. I actually felt sorry for you, Matthew, for all the heat that you have taken on this forum. Not anymore. I thought about giving you the benefit of the doubt. I thought about private messaging you instead of publicly posting. But your route name choice seems unnecessarily crass and disrespectful —regardless whether you knew my late wife, or me or the story behind our route. Perhaps your route name was a misguided attempt at homage. Perhaps you have some cool story about two women in your life that you love, respect and about whom you were thinking. But if you do not have a perfectly lovely explanation for your otherwise seemingly crude route name choice then, YES, put me down as deeply hurt and offended. If you do have a charming and inoffensive explanation for your route name then I will gladly apologize and commend you. Otherwise, please add my name to the list of people who do climb, have contributed, are also bolting and deeply love the Red who do not think very highly of you, sir. –Shannon Stuart-Smith
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Mdjagg said on September 25th, 2020
Shannon, I apologize that I've offended you with this name, in no way was that my intent. The original name was "Thnking of Two Women And All The Rock Between Us", which obviously was a bit long and had been shortened. There's a lot of meaning to this name for me, which I try to do when naming routes, but regardless, it means nothing in comparison to your loss, which i knew nothing of. Hope you find this an acceptable apology, if not, feel free to contact me directly and we can have a more in depth conversation. The name will be changed as soon as the crew gets to it. Again, I'm sorry if this has caused you any additional pain.
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Shannon said on September 25th, 2020
Matthew, I really appreciate that, thank you. –Shannon
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Mdjagg said on September 25th, 2020
You're welcome. My sincerest apologies.
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ray said on September 25th, 2020
mdjagg what do you want to change the name to?
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Mdjagg said on September 25th, 2020
"Possessio Denouement". Thanks, Ray.
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Mdjagg said on September 26th, 2020
Also, just so no one is confused, will you change the number of bolts to 10. There's a cleaner perma, which makes 10. I didnt think about someone seeing the perma and only grabbing 8 draws. 9 draws needs. Thanks
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Shannon said on September 26th, 2020
Thank you, Matthew and I apologize. Look forward to checking out your route. -Shannon
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Mdjagg said on September 26th, 2020
No need to apologize, that is extremely sensitive, and I wish I had known. Thank you for accepting my apology. If we ever meet in person ill tell you more about the original name choice, but this site is not the right place to explain it.
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Anonymous said on September 26th, 2020
how can someone be so clueless and take so many L's yet continue on with their jackassery. Mjagg probably puffs his chest and calls it persistence but I will say with upmost certainty that you are a net negative to development at the red and that you would do yourself a service to learn your "craft" somewhere that is not a major climbing area. i hear ohio is nice
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Mdjagg said on September 26th, 2020
I guess that's why life is beautiful, you can perceive whatever you choose to believe. Just like reading words on the internet, you get to imagine the tone, the intent, and the meaning all on your own. The reason you dont know more about me and what I do is because I choose not to spray about any of it, because I'm not looking for anyone's approval. You'll find the truth eventually. There's plenty of it out there if you ever decide to look.
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Anonymous said on September 26th, 2020
Imagine being so dense and self-absorbed that you can't resist coming up with a name that's such an obvious dig at another route, AT THE SAME FUCKING CRAG NO LESS! Says a whole lot about your mental acuity. This is not how one goes about salvaging their piss poor reputation in the community. You're reaching the final evolution of troll-hood; trolling yourself.
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Anonymous said on September 26th, 2020
What a complete and utter fool
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dustonian said on September 27th, 2020
I remember this line, looks good