Yea, I did dario's 12 over there and I want credit for it.

one right of glass elevator proabbaly 10a....the next one over probably 10b....both super sweet.

everything should be open unless there are new routes which i dont know about

two subjects- bolt count coming soon? and my God the bee hive

we got on the line just right of where the rope is hanging last week. super fun. is that your route local?

yea thats my route, i was going to bolt them but i'm busy so there free game by me....might check with kenny

cool guys....local, that wall is sweet that you are working on. if I get out tehre soon, want me to pull your rope? I don't mind finishing the bolting job if you'd like. otherwise, I might move to the left from that hanging rope and see how that section climbs.

FYI - people who are allergic to stings generally carry their epi-pens with them all over the damn place.

Would the powers that be put up the routes that are on the left vert wall when you walk in? Dario's route is 12a and called "J Rat's Back". 10 bolts, maybe 70-ish feet. 15 feet to the right of that is an 11c FA'ed by Kenny Barker. To the right of that is a 12a FA'ed by Nate Auk. Kenny, names and any more info on these?

Hey just wondering if anybody has done the crack to the left of J-Rat???? There are anchors there, but nothing in the online guide about it....anyways...lots of stuff broke, pro was good, not a bad climb!!

Access Sugar Rush, Augustus, and Choc River by going left off the main approach trail as soon as you see rock/big boulder. Go up the left side of the large boulder.

The routes get wet right at the chains but that won't bother *you* since all *you* have to do is kiss them for the send.

If you are talking about the one as/before you go downhill to the cave/overhang, then yes, it has been climbed and initially cleaned up. Anchors are planned for the new future.

Yes, same as the near future, but different from the old future.

I just noticed that you guys are going crazy putting up new routes here! Keep it up, hopefully ill be back sometime to check all your new pile's out next year!

Yea Kenny, thanks.

Are there anchors on the crack system 250' left of Mad Hatter's yet?

No rush... just checking. Let me know if you need any help or whatever... I am happy to contribute with time/gear. I have a couple of hangers left over from my past life someplace in the garage.

When are all the routes between Cat's Demise and Mad Hatter going to be posted? There are several lines, a couple that are really really good.

There is a sport route that starts in a dihedral then kicks right into a steep pockety face. 4 stars, super fun, prolly clocks in around 5.11b. Just to the left of that there is a fun like 5.10a/b sport that follows the arete. No idea who bolted or did the FAs though

With a lot of local support and encouragement, I've added a new line to the left of "Dainty Butterfly." Thanks everyone! It is currently the next route right of "Cat's Demise." Please go check it out and have fun! I think it is 12a/b and a real beaut, IMO. The rock didn't need any cleaning beyond a toothbrush, and most everything seemed extremely solid. However, it is very thin in a few sections (bolts 2-4), so I expect a few crimps may polish up, chip, or even break over time. This shouldn't change the difficulty or quality of the overall route. I guess it goes without saying the next route for me to do is, "The Andy Man Can." Somehow, I'm destined... Cheers! - A

Just submitted the route. Thanks!

I think Art and Phil got on that a couple years ago. Believe Phil took a bad fall. Not sure if they finished it or not.

Love to see that the new routes are going into the guidebook. The order is a little off though. Starting from the trad route squeeze me marcaroni this is the order: babyface, project, buttercup, ABR-Molten-Devine punishment (which all have the same start), Silky smooth, project, Death by Chocolate, Bittersweet, Project, Swedish Fish.

hmmm maybe i'm wrong about the route name. I think Kyle did the FA. I don't know.

Dave, I am not sure your list is accurate either, but better than what is there. There are two routes between bittersweet and Swedish Fish. Kyle wanted to change it from Babyface but that is what Kevin was calling it, so he didn't want to change it. I talked to Ray last night, he knows its messed up.

In case you forgot the routes are out of order. Your welcome for the reminder. On another twat, maybe who ever fuck denotes star ratings as well as grades should get there ass over there and add some stars to a few of those bizzzzatches.

Thanks Dave and Andrew. I think I fixed everything. Dave, I deleted your pictures.

Lena, I was there when Craig Lewis sent it. Great story too... I asked him how hard it was prior to him sending and he said he thought it felt it might be in the 12+ range. He rested and then fired the line his next go. His buddy asked him what he was going to name it and he said "Fatman" and called it 12a. I tried it after him and it ain't no 12a! I told Craig it was harder than Mosaic which I consider soft for 12c. So, I think he was gonna call it 12b for now. It is a super line that is sustained from the after the 1st bolt to the last bolt. Thanks for putting it up Craig!

Thanks Ian. I think that grades at Chocolate factory tend to be on the stiffer side, compared to some of the softer areas at the Red, so Craig is keeping up with the theme, I guess.

Trail to left side clear now thanks to lurks chainsaw.

4 new routes within the last week...what do you think, Mr. Anonymous?

Awww mr A. is angry better listen to him or he's gonna put you over his knee and spank your bottoms. As far as Bolting goes, I believe half the new lines are gear plugging. Good work boys and thank you for all your time and effort into bolting these lines for my generation to climb. Mr A. please sincerely eat a bag of dicks and stop crying about new stuff to climb.

Don't worry Dru, there will still be plenty of rock for you.

Well, that was a funny joke. Thanks Dustin, Scott, Kipp, Shadow, and all the other developers who put in time and effort to give us the opportunity to climb some new routes.

hey jackwad...mind if i sick supersafeian on you?

Just realized there are 70+ routes at this cliff! I knew there would be a lot, I want to see 100 there when I return! Oh and if it wasn't for all the expanding and hard work these guys are putting in all your favorite cliffs would have twice as many people crowding them. The more routes in the RRG the better, keep it up!

Mr Allah, this is Mr A again. I can appreciate the work you did at the Red as you were a pioneer. Purg and Choco were your visions, straight outta Compton yo.....but these hangers-on and washed up middle aged home boys have met their match. They pontificate on pure ascents, bolting styles, glues ins versus 5 piece (for real?), ground up/top down, blah, blah, blah....and neither Pig or Dustin can climb mid 12's yet they are the 'experts'???? Don't chip a route, but then drill 5,000 holes...are they that jaded to destruction they are causing? the Red has plenty of routes. it really is that simple. more routes brings more people. or at the very least they need to quit feeding at the ego horse trough called the online guide, and bolt just to bolt. quit dramatizing and publicizing....

Mr A, this is Mr B. Chill Out before I hire Mr C to smack you with his D In your bitch ass F - A - C - E.

Like cumming in a bloody butthole gay.

This wall is so huge. Seems like it should be broken down into a few areas or explicit walls.

West-facing

watch your tongue- those are my headstones and I'll come grab them as the routes are posted online- I take them home and they are more for safety of climbers that could get in over their head and get hurt. So I am asking you to Please leave them alone, I'll take them as it happens

Ray, maybe it is time for you to use that executive authority and break down the Chocolate Factory into a few walls? 70+ routes and counting...

Thanks to the mystery trail fairy who's been working at Choco this year, the new bridges are nice!

Troys choss I believe

who's Troy?

it's mine, called it A.L.F. 12- , it's pretty fun, pumpy at the top. I put up a few more over there that aren't on-line, Kentucky Grape Vine (KGV) 12- is a shorty right of Butterfly, to left of Bleak December is 2-Fold 12b/cish and Sarahintity 12b to left of that, it's a very cool line thats rad all the way to the last hold, i enjoyed it as much as Butterfly

2 new routes on ledge on either side of Shootin' Hot Hugs. One red tagged with draws and one open. Plus another fixed line hanging. What is the route that is now open... around 10d? Very fun... thx for putting it up.

the new routes added are alittle wrong on the left side- after Toxicdendron, the next route right is Sarahnity 12c, 2-fold 12b 80', then Bleak December then Dainty Butterfly 12c- next short wall to right is K.G.V(kentucky grape vine) 12a/b

I bolted it this summer. I'm gonna try it soon and if it isn't in my grasp grade wise I'll open it up. -Scott

What's the route to the right of Shootin Hot Jugs also on the ledge?

Route to left of Malice- Like Water for Chocolate 13a

Glad someone did it; the one move wonder of all one move wonders

No offense but I call bullshit on Anon naming and grading a FA. Who sent???

Never mind I'm confused. I need an adult!

Love you dad

Lil Reggie got with Cromper's mom too? Join the club.