Actually routes 41-44 are further right then they are listed

Does anyone know if Torrent has been reopened to the public? And if not, is there still climbing available at the RRGCC meetings?

Looks like its back to sweatbands and tight pants for meeee.

Could be, I guess, but your girl doesn't seem to mind....

Question: Is it OK to climb on routes 38 and up? When you walk through the amphitheater on the way to #38 there is a "Property Boundary" sign. Does that sign still apply, and if so, is the other landowner cool with climbers?

ACD: An example of future climbing is the PMRP and all that Access Fund is doing. By the way, the PMRP was made possible by the man who purchased Torrent, a once completely closed crag but now is his home so the climbing there is his backyard. The minor stipulations to access the crag ain't so bad.

which one was that again Andy?

I did a trad route to the right of Dream of a Bee, and to the left of Cordelia, and moved out right to the anchors of Cordelia to rap... i thought this was the 5.2 Hmmm..but looking back I see that Hmmm is further right......thought it was cool and fun.... Dru Mack

You can start by not being an anonymous, dicklicking SOB. The money you so graciously gave went to purchase PMRP, where you can go. NOT Torrent. Bob bought Torrent with his money at the same time he was helping pay for the PMRP. But you're right, he's such a selfish asshole. Fuckfaces like you need to get your head out of your ass so that my foot can fit. Maybe then bob would let you play. With his balls.

I think only his friends get to play with his balls. Maybe you should retire Old Timer. Maybe you and bob can close some more cliffs for us. There should be an age limit on climbers. People like you are a waste of skin and a drain on resources.

How dare you! I'll wrap my dick around your neck and start you up like a lawnmower!

So "city folk" ruined it? The same city folk who donate money? The same city folk who bring in tourist dollars? Maybe you should stop excepting money from the city folk when they climb. Maybe someone should tell all the city folk they (and their money) are not welcomed or wnated at Rocktoberfest.

please do. fuck, "city folk." i'd rape everyone of you in a deliverance style, pig squeal, ass rape if i could. hell, that might generate money since the majority of you are worthless, cumguzzling wastes of tommy hillfuck jeans and beamers. bring your ass down here and just expect the world to be given to you, drop the annon moniker and make yourself known. i'll be glad to drag you through a mudpuddle and stomp a hole in your ass any day. ANY DAY cocksucker. and spikedemon..... you ain't see riled up.

Contact you for what? Get over yourself. You are not helping climbers by closing access,no matter what you and you friends think. Good way to get people to stop donating. I have an idea!! Maybe you could help us all out and buy more rock and close it to climbers,maybe even try to get donations to help make it possible. Dr.Bob,protecting access one closure at a time!

Just to point out, routes #40 and up are now part of the via ferrata, so they aren't open for sport climbing. Dr. Bob, keep up the good work. I've stayed on the grounds a couple of times & I think its an incredible place. Many thanks for keeping it beautiful. ACD: If you ever travel from the UK again, paying to stay at Torrent is the best investment you can make in a trip to the RRG. -Matt.

Will it ever be open to the public again? Is this really a private playground for friends of the owner as posted above? Is this where donation money goes?

This is a privately owned crag that the owner graciously allows people to register online and climb at during weekends. If you are active in the community, you get to climb here. As far as I know, no one who is positive and has donated a lot of time to make climbing better in the red has been denied access. If you are from out of town and can't make it on weekends then you can complain once you have sent the other 2000 routes in the red. The RRGCC does not own the crag and no money that goes to the RRGCC goes here. If you get to climb here, then yes, toss in a small donation. If you don't like any of this, tough. People are allowed to do with their privately owned land whatever they want, including only inviting people they know. If you think this is unfair, try climbing at Roadside.

We stayed at the torrent cabins this weekend (great choice considering all the rain). Many of the routes at torrent are in severe need of bolt replacement. Specifically, about five ten - i didn't check the bolts, but the chains looked in rough shape from the top of reanimator Reanimator - Anchors chains are not safe and the bolts are nearly there too (I put two quick links on there today in order to rappel safely). The rest of the bolts have severe levels of rust (little to none on the hangers, no spinners found). It's Alive - i didn't check the bolts, but the chains were completely rusted when viewing from the top of reanimator. Pocket pussy, Sex Show, seek the truth, sport for brains, Ode to poopie head, and stool sample -> all the first/second bolts show high levels of rust on the bolts. I assume the anchors are in similar shape (I didn't climb these). I have made them aware of the state of these anchors directly through email, but I'd recommend staying away from these until you see some shiny new gear on them. Torrent is a really great place to climb, especially if you've graduated from camping to cabins (they're really nice, can't beat the approach either).

that's good to know. I've always found it hard to evaluate bolt rust. The first chain link on the left anchor is not just rusted, it's ~50% worn through, so that one would be one to bump up the torrent priority list (fun route too). I think I would be interested in helping out too. I travel from Milwaukee for my rrg trips, so I've donated $$ in lieu of my time (trail days,etc). But gaining experience in a re-bolting effort sounds like a cool thing to do and learn about. So please do contact me and hopefully we can work out some logistics.

I am NOT, NOT, NOT trying to be critical of the Torrent situation. But given the restricted access and the payment setup, should they not maintain bolts themselves? Or, is climbing viewed as incidental to cabin rental? Like, why should RRG-wide volunteers donate time/effort/money to a place where most people can't climb?

Right on. Umm, no, not trying to tell you what to do. I guess it just never occurred to me that Torrent would still need volunteer work to maintain stuff since it seemed to have adopted more of a pay-for-play model. Again, not being critical of it. And I'm sure someone could log on and say I don't know what I'm talking about, which I am preemptively admitting.