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by cletuswilcox
Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:42 pm
Forum: Sport
Topic: Taylor on the Tube...
Replies: 33
Views: 6696

Re: Taylor on the Tube...

its in ohio
by cletuswilcox
Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:45 am
Forum: Climbing Community
Topic: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december
Replies: 29
Views: 5049

Re: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

There is talk of a video conferencing option for those of you that cant attend but want to.
by cletuswilcox
Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:42 pm
Forum: Climbing Community
Topic: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december
Replies: 29
Views: 5049

Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

Shannon is offering us the same space for a meeting concerning pd's at the Red in December. The dates available are December 14th, 19th and the 20th. Is there one of these that is better for people?
by cletuswilcox
Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:18 pm
Forum: Front Page
Topic: PDs at Lode
Replies: 557
Views: 167163

Re: PDs at Lode

krampus-After the draws were removed people wanted to establish a consensus. I dont know any way to come to a consensus without including in the discussion people's stance on pd's. In my opinion inflamatory posts and rumors are whats polarizing the community. Did you miss the part of the meeting whe...
by cletuswilcox
Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:37 pm
Forum: Front Page
Topic: PDs at Lode
Replies: 557
Views: 167163

Re: PDs at Lode

Ian- If you go back and find my initial post you'll see that for me safety was a motivating factor in removing the PD's. Ive made it perfectly clear that everyone had their own reasons for taking the draws down at the undertow. Zach had his and I had mine. Ive apologized for the way in which the dra...
by cletuswilcox
Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:43 am
Forum: Front Page
Topic: PDs at Lode
Replies: 557
Views: 167163

Re: PDs at Lode

Tanya- I asked Dr. Bob if he would like me to remove them and he said he couldnt take a stance either way. He also seemed weary of any acton at all which could be construed as maintaining "fixed" gear. Because Torrent feels more like a private residence than a public crag I refrained. Do you want me...
by cletuswilcox
Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:38 am
Forum: Front Page
Topic: PDs at Lode
Replies: 557
Views: 167163

Re: PDs at Lode

allah wrote:I love lurking and laughing at how ridiculous this whole thing has become. No wonder the rest of the climbing community is laughing about the whole situation!
Thanks for all the help Kenny!
by cletuswilcox
Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:27 am
Forum: Front Page
Topic: PDs at Lode
Replies: 557
Views: 167163

Re: PDs at Lode

So must make this one statement about these meeting. Yes people are attending them. But some of the people on this forum have not attended. These people are to remain nameless, ( the last meeting was held 3 blocks from there house) but I want them to understand. They are blowing things way out of l...
by cletuswilcox
Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:59 pm
Forum: Front Page
Topic: PDs at Lode
Replies: 557
Views: 167163

Re: PDs at Lode

Ian- I dont think anyone will be stealing or removing project draws unless the draws are a hazard.
by cletuswilcox
Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:57 pm
Forum: Front Page
Topic: PDs at Lode
Replies: 557
Views: 167163

Re: PDs at Lode

Dustin- I forgot to add that deeming left gear as abandoned is the ethic of the RRGCC and it applies to the cliffs on land that they bought. That dosent mean that every left draw WILL be removed it means that every left draw CAN be removed.
by cletuswilcox
Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:49 pm
Forum: Front Page
Topic: PDs at Lode
Replies: 557
Views: 167163

Re: PDs at Lode

Dustin- The fact that gear left on the wall is considered abandoned was not decided at the last meeting although it was discussed. That was established long before you showed up.
by cletuswilcox
Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:38 pm
Forum: Front Page
Topic: PDs at Lode
Replies: 557
Views: 167163

Re: PDs at Lode

Shear- Are you aware that pd's and climber behavior/impact were some of the deciding factors in the closure at roadside? So there's nothing wrong with aluminum biners being fixed on some of the most traveled routes in the world and it's simply a matter of climber initiative to keep the fixed gear sa...
by cletuswilcox
Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:13 pm
Forum: Front Page
Topic: PDs at Lode
Replies: 557
Views: 167163

Re: PDs at Lode

Michelle- If I'm not mistaken the accepted and agreed upon ethic at the red is that any gear left on the wall is considered abandoned gear and is subject to removal (pd's, project draws, etc.) and that this is for liability concerns. This is Hugh's point I think.
by cletuswilcox
Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:05 pm
Forum: Front Page
Topic: PDs at Lode
Replies: 557
Views: 167163

Re: PDs at Lode

Approximately zero? Of the rebolted routes, we had just checked them all during the summer, and many were brand-new steel PDs from ClimbTech. The safety thing is a lame attempt to excuse that big stinky fart back in October. Still, I personally feel removing the aluminum stuff off the 12- routes on...
by cletuswilcox
Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:21 am
Forum: Front Page
Topic: PDs at Lode
Replies: 557
Views: 167163

Re: PDs at Lode

The quick version. Alli and Kevin were super pissed the draws came down cuz it violated a global consensus. As opposed to talking to anyone involved they emailed Chuck Odette and talked a bunch of shit about shit they didn't really know and called out Dario and Tackett for not getting involved. The...