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Yea Bentley there is a few things that I did bolting Purgatory that most people in there right mind wouldn't have done :) !!!! But it would have been nice to know how deep I needed to drill my holes the first few times so I didn't waste a few bolts (not thinking about the sand build up in the back o...

If you need to read a manual before you go bolt a route, you don't need to be bolting!!! Bolting is a serious responsibility and if you see it any other way please do not bolt anything and that includes replacing existing gear. DISLIKE!!!! Dude, when I first started bolting it would have been great...

Everything on the undertow wall!

Ive been saying it for years, Gods own stone and Ultra perm are 13b! Just like every other damn route in the Red!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!

Respect! Take wolf's advice and call them!

It would piss me off to no end to show up at the cliff and see a ton of tape all over the place! I'm with stix on this one, if the retards that left all the trash laying around would have picked it up, no one would have known they taped the holds in the first place. If they want to waste their tape ...

Agreed

I don't know, paranoia is pretty ugly and more noticeable from the ground. You can't even see the 2 holds on psychopathy from the ground. It is def out of character for the cliff, 2 hard moves and requires no endurance like the other routes. Do
you think the route would go without the 2 holds?

Part of the history of the red, the route was there before both of you ever climbed there. You would never had known if it wasn't for JR's big mouth

I thought it was fun with a hard boulder, thought it was a grade or 2 harder

Everything at roadside!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I say keep it to yourself and the people you are close to for a while! there are to many self entitled Locals running around the area now and will claim it as there own (even though they've done nothing for the red) and try to run the travelers off. It was sad to show up and see how attitudes have c...

Doit artsay!!!!!!!!!!!!! We'll meet up with ou guys there for sure!!!!!!!!!!!

Doooooods I was originally avoiding the jug!!!!!!!!! Then a really old wise strong guy showed methe way of opening my mind and looking away from all the bad holds and to use the big one. The bigone Was alli needed to send and therefore never even noticed the ledge on the fa. That's what really went ...

I like this Idea!!!! If I lived in the area I def. would be up for it!