Timber Harvesting in the PMRP/ Miller Fork?

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Timber Harvesting in the PMRP/ Miller Fork?

Post by Ellis_Bill » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:07 pm

I was wondering if there was a reason why the RRGCC has not tried to harvest timber on the lands that are owned by the coalition. This would be a great way for RRGCC to make a lot of money in order to pay of loans, and keep up with general upkeep of the lands owned. I'm not talking about clear cutting but just selective harvesting.
There may be very simple answer to this, I was just wondering and hoping someone could fill me in.
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Post by dustonian » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:11 pm

Haha, when I first read that I thought it said "Point Harvesting"...

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Re: Timber Harvesting in the PMRP/ Miller Fork?

Post by whatahutch » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:50 pm

Trees shall only be felled to ensure a clean falling line on mid-level sport lines (and belay spots), not to pay for the land.

Gosh, who would ever think of using the natural resources in any other means.
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Re: Timber Harvesting in the PMRP/ Miller Fork?

Post by toad857 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:11 am

They are relatively young trees, and probably not worth as much as you think they are. Besides, even selective harvesting does a shocking amount of damage. Why spend all this time and energy carefully making trails when a skidder is dragging a 2 ton oak through the creek?

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Re: Timber Harvesting in the PMRP/ Miller Fork?

Post by clif » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:10 am

the R&D division of the rrgcc is developing nanobot technology to reconfigure the market dynamics of resource extraction economics.
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Re: Timber Harvesting in the PMRP/ Miller Fork?

Post by RRGCC » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:05 am

The idea of selectively logging specific parts of the PMRP was discussed several years ago. Logging the PMRP was not pursued for several reasons. Most of the PMRP had been logged at some point prior to the purchase by the RRGCC. Thus, the amount of mature wood is limited. If we were to log the PMRP, selectively or not, the amount of money that would generate is surprisingly low relative to the impact it would have on the land.

There are some talented logging companies in the area that do a great job of minimizing their presence, etc. But at the end of the day, their impact on the land far surpasses what most of us would consider acceptable for our beloved PMRP.

Concerning the MFRP, the timber rights to the property were a point of negotiation for the purchase. There is more mature wood on the MFRP, and far less presence of oil infrastructure (as with most property in the region, the mineral rights had been severed from this piece of property many years ago so we do "share" the property with an oil company).

Because of the aesthetics of the property, the disruption of roads and trails, and complete closure of the MFRP during logging, we felt that is was in the best interest of the climbing community that the RRGCC maintain the timber rights to the property. For those reasons, we have no intention of logging selectively or otherwise in the MFRP.

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Re: Timber Harvesting in the PMRP/ Miller Fork?

Post by dustonian » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:08 am

RRGCC wrote:Because of the aesthetics of the property, the disruption of roads and trails, and complete closure of the MFRP during logging, we felt that is was in the best interest of the climbing community that the RRGCC maintain the timber rights to the property. For those reasons, we have no intention of logging selectively or otherwise in the MFRP.
Bravo!! Some spectacular old growth in that valley for sure... Thanks!

Also, I presume "resource extraction" would conflict with the tenets of being designated a land trust?

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Post by toad857 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:33 pm

For more info on identifying old trees without coring them, here is a good article by Neil Pederson (former EKU faculty):

http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2012/03/18 ... look-like/

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Post by whatahutch » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:01 pm

I love big, old trees too. I was just joking about the logging of the land.
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Re: Timber Harvesting in the PMRP/ Miller Fork?

Post by Josephine » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:06 pm

toad857 wrote:For more info on identifying old trees without coring them, here is a good article by Neil Pederson (former EKU faculty):

http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2012/03/18 ... look-like/
neat article! I am always fooled that size = age. I'll have to look harder next time!
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Re: Timber Harvesting in the PMRP/ Miller Fork?

Post by Ellis_Bill » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:30 pm

Ok thanks for the reply, i was wondering this because as a forestry major at UK whenever I climb there it just crosses my mind.

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Re: Timber Harvesting in the PMRP/ Miller Fork?

Post by toad857 » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:25 pm

Josephine wrote:
toad857 wrote:For more info on identifying old trees without coring them, here is a good article by Neil Pederson (former EKU faculty):

http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2012/03/18 ... look-like/
neat article! I am always fooled that size = age. I'll have to look harder next time!
When you can read the crown of a tree, it's like time travel! Look for big breaks that may have occurred 100 years ago. Trees with little to no branches down low usually indicate that they grew up in an understory, whereas all of those big, impressive oaks in the bluegrass that look like giant shrubs have been in the open for a long time. Also remember that species like Tulip poplar, cottonwood, and sycamore grow very quickly, especially with ample water--A 6' diameter cottonwood is not all that special (just take a jaunt over to the Ohio River). Oaks, cherries, hickories are slower growing (and more valuable). Beech trees and hemlocks are often big in areas like PMRP/Muir, but are basically only good for pulp when we have so much hardwood.

Trees are cool. I wish more climbers would spend the time to learn about them, considering how much time we all spend at the Red. It will be really exciting to walk around Muir in 30 or 40 years--those stands are going to be really impressive.

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