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Post by anticlmber » Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:05 am

sorry, i was just boooing your joke. not one of your better ones.
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Post by der uber » Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:19 am

Oh, I figured that, and justifiably so.

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Post by TradMike » Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:13 am

der uber wrote:trad folks tick gear placements?
Just like some people can't chew and walk at the same time some people can't think and climb at the same time.

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Post by 512OW » Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:39 am

Dean and Steph, along with Katie Brown and all of Patagonias climbers, with the exception of Lynn Hill and Ron Kauk, lost their sponsorships in the wake of Deans Delicate Arch fiasco. Dean and Steph together were clearing 6 figures off that one sponsorship alone.

At first Patagonia released a statement backing Dean. When they realized he was wrong, rather than admit their own mistake, they claimed that they, as a company, had gotten too far away from their real goals and had become too much of a "climbing" company.

They released him (them) the week my song went up.

Funny, the owner of Patagonia is/was a major climber.
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Post by rjackson » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:26 am

While it may have been a bad idea, Potter did nothing illegal. Basically used a loop hole, like those that enable people to evade some taxes or perhaps racers who can exploit a rule to go faster and beat the competition. It happens. People get angry and jealous because somebody else got something they didn't. Be it physical (money) or emotional (attention).

Pretty classic business practices with Patagonia by simply protecting their brand rather than standing up for Potter.

I believe they make a good product, I have a fleece that I've worn to a thread over 10 years. But their 'above the competition' virtues can be a bit much for my tastes.

Their Late Summer 2008 catalog is still full of climbers and even has a spread of Lynn Hill climbing at the Chocalate Factory. I think Patagonia will always be portrayed as a climbing and surfing company because even those that don't climb or surf want to be associated with the perceived life style.

In my opinion Potter is still a great climber and Patagonia makes a decent product. There's nothing 'wrong' with any of it, the world keeps going round. In a few 100 years we'll all be gone, and perhaps the arch will have eroded to the point where it has collapsed also.

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Post by kirker » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:37 am

They're called consequences, and they didn't get the good kind. They had to know there would be risks with the decision. To bad they proably smoked one while weighing theirs. Hell we've all made a bad decison at one time or another. Just have to one day quit fucking crying about it and move on.

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Post by gregkerzhner » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:43 am

Myke Dronez wrote:There was nothing about the climb all that impressive for Potter- 60 feet with an 11+ crux. So to act like it wasn't a publicity stunt is pretty stupid, Delicate Arch is on the Utah license plate for fucks sake. He should stick to solos that climbers can respect or start hanging out with the French Spiderman.
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Post by Gregory » Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:05 pm

Always remember, no cameras, no pictures, and never ever write anything down. When will you people learn?

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Post by Myke Dronez » Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:44 pm

Maybe so, but why stir up trouble when you're physically able to perform greater feats? I think theres plenty of respect to go around for Potter and Robert without Delicate Arch or Spiderman suits.
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Post by charlie » Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:28 am

I've got a pair of Patagonia river shorts. I like them.

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Post by rhunt » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:06 am

Well maybe the damn thing will fall down soon, then we can blame Dean for that!
Oh and didn't the brilliant park service screw the names up - delicate arch is suppose to be called landscape arch??
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Post by TradMike » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:54 am

The grooves he wore into the arch from his rap rope will probably bring it down a day or so sooner. I think that is what the park was pissed about.

Interesting site
http://www.byteland.org/naturalist/delicatearch.html

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