Clevis Hitch wrote:..... BTW, Meadows, you didn't answer the question. Neither have you J.R.. I think that maybe you can't answer..
I'll step in here, not because I want to air dirty laundry but because you keep prodding.
Deliberately destroying gates and then removing hinges to rally truck around the property repeatedly while we were ENGAGED IN A FREAKIN LAWSUIT with the oil company ring a bell? That made us look really good in court, let me tell you.
As a recent example how about in the last month when guy tried speak about opening parking at top of hill for benefit of climbers and you jump down his throat from the get go?
Put simply, you're a liability for climbers in the Gorge and always have been. Sorry if you don't see it.
And yeah, we have 2 years payments in the bank right now. Have been ahead for some time and will more than likely pay things off early.
I know mostly you do this to get a rise out of everyone but at least put a little effort into getting your facts straight.
Dirty laundry? I never destroyed any gate. I never shit on any oil well I never did any of the shit thats been rumored that I did. Perception/reality...remember that. The things that you think I did, I never did. If my name was brought up in court it was definately a stretch. I think I got blamed for cutting off a post at the gate to the solar collector. I never did it. The people who were saying I did it said that I was the only one who had a chainsaw. I never could pin down who exactly was saying I did it, I think it was SSS and crew. If I'm not mistaken I also got blamed for the fire at Solar Collector and three murders in the Southern Region.
Now I did outrun Gary King towing in the Southern Region. You remember that don't you? The oil company was having peoples cars towed from a designated parking lot and at first it was friendly.$35. Then once gary figured out that these foriegners had outside money and that he could get away with it. $300. Gary came up to me and wanted me to drive to the bottom of the hill so he could hook up his truck to me and tow me away. $300 my ass. So I outran them, of course I made them wait around for about an hour while we finished climbing. They took a left and I took a right. We spent the better part of three hours trying to shake those guys!
Oh yeah, I almost forgot....We have two years of payments in the bank right now.......Like I asked earlier. Why the heavy handed tactics of threatening closure then.. You can say anything you want.. Erection of the gate is a threat. So lets get this all on the list.
(1) CC erects gate.
(2) All the regulars line up to say "Thats awesome!"
(3) I disagree, Its coercive and heavyhanded
(4) I am attacked
(5) I am attacked
(6) I am attacked, blah, blah, blah...
(7) Then I'm blamed
(8) Then I'm blamed again
(9) Then I'm ridiculed
(10) The I'm blamed again...on and on
But understand this. You guys don't get more input because nobody wants to go through this shit just to ask a question or to disagree with whats going on. The Climbers Coalition was formed as a users group, to speak as one voice for climbers. But it doesn't. What it requires is blind allegience. If you disagree then you get blasted with eight pages of subtrafuge. Just dodging the question all the while berreting the questioner to make him stop.
As far as philz and what happened there. I tried to advise the guy not to sink any money into developing something on top of bald rock because I know something else is getting ready to happen that will put him out of business. I felt I was becoming negative so I
erased all my posts. Nobody made me do it.
If you give a man a match, he'll be warm for a minute. If you set him on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life!