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Post by DriskellHR » Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:15 am

toad857 wrote:
Meadows wrote:It's a small gate that doesn't impede access, but you have to notice it. :)
I haven't seen it yet, but is there anything to stop people from just, simply, walking around the gate? The trail might get a little ugly, if so.
Not fully, But it is in the works to make a "mock fence rail" that comes off the gate support post and leads directly to the ground at an angle. Sure if you want to walk around it it wont be an issue. However it will be far less labor to just go through it. Its kinda set at a natural bottleneck in the trail for this reason. But as we all know people will do what they want.....
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Post by Clevis Hitch » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:09 am

You guys just don't get it.

The tragic inability of the CC to raise funds MAY be attributed to the tactics it employs.

Exactly what Andrew said about perception vs. reality. Do you want to be percieved as negative and threatening? Well you are.
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Post by Andrew » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:20 am

All I am trying to figure out is if Clevis's perception is justified, or a figment of his imagination. How many people feel the same way as him, if it is none, then ignore him, if it is many then it needs to be addressed, and we should be thanking him for bringing it to our attention. Different points of view are not a bad thing, but we all need to be civilized and constructive.
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Post by Toad » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:33 am

Clevis Hitch wrote:
The tragic inability of the CC to raise funds MAY be attributed to the tactics it employs.
How many payments have they already made?

Besides, they have already tried NOT having a gate.
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Post by ynp1 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:33 am

Andrew, you may be onto something
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Post by RRO » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:43 am

tragic inability to raise funds...... joe, seriously dude... that really is almost comical. our inability to raise funds is whats keeping the place paid for and pretty much certain that it WILL be paid for on time with the communities money. but of course money is always and will always be a concern for any group or business, you always have to plan for the future and prepare for the worst.

whats funny about the whole thing as far as you and i arguing is that when this was discussed at the last ultra secret hollywood a list OPEN meeting at torrent. i had a lot of the same concerns as you did about the gate. but what is different about you and i is the fact that i see in order to survive as a business/land owner/coalition/babysitter and to keep that money rolling in you may have to think outside the box and try new things. my guess is still in the end it will bring more rewards than the risk it took.

your concerns are real, some even shared and in a lot of ways at least make people think but take some meds and calm down.
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Post by Clevis Hitch » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:45 am

Toad wrote:
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The tragic inability of the CC to raise funds MAY be attributed to the tactics it employs.
How many payments have they already made?

Besides, they have already tried NOT having a gate.
Dude, they come up short almost every year and the gap has to be caught up by Dr. Bob. Which leads to resentment and a general "circle the wagons" mentality. It also leads the people who are involved to withdraw from the group, feeding the perception of "elitism".
Dr. Bob is a good guy who has caught nothing but shit for sticking his neck out.(Read: No good deed goes unpunished)
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Post by Meadows » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:49 am

Joe -

I challenge you to do your own fundraiser for the RRGCC. People have taken initiative in the past to raise funds for the RRGCC and have done so successfully. If you have better ideas, by all means, roll with it.

Instead of continually voicing your opposition, why don YOU act on YOUR ideas. That alone, might eventually get you voted on the BOD since you've expressed a desire. As it stands, we have plenty of people offering ideas for OTHERS to do so why don't you do something better by doing it yourself?

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Post by Meadows » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:50 am

Clevis Hitch wrote: Dude, they come up short almost every year and the gap has to be caught up by Dr. Bob.
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Post by charlie » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:52 am

Clevis Hitch wrote:You guys just don't get it.

The tragic inability of the CC to raise funds MAY be attributed to the tactics it employs.

Exactly what Andrew said about perception vs. reality. Do you want to be percieved as negative and threatening? Well you are.
Welcome to 2004. 6 years later we've been making the payments for some time without having a couple huge donors cover the balance.

I've done my best to answer your questions. If there are others out there that feel the same as you, have them come forward.

It's been obvious since I've known you that if you're on a team it ain't the RRGCC team and I've seen very little to make me think we'll ever be able to change your mindset. That's fine, but I'm not going to cater to someone that hates us almost as a point of pride regardless of what we try and do.

If other people feel the same I'd love to know why. Also, if I've misunderstood your position on the matter let me know. It would be cool if I were confused about that.

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Post by DriskellHR » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:54 am

Another case in point, Torrent Falls. Access issues, Predident of the CC purchases it. Keeps it closed, then errects a gate. Opens it to the Kool Kids Klimbers club. I bet you and every member of the board has a permanent access code to torrent while it is closed to the constituancy. Look, its Bobs land, he can do with it what he pleases. It looks elitist to shut it down for everyone but the Kool Kids and then say that you are the president of the climbers coalition who is dedicated to preserving access.
yeah bob gets alot of shit for sticking his neck out.... :roll:
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Post by Clevis Hitch » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:21 am

Nobody said anything about hate. As far as Meadows challenge. You're on. You can say that what I put together is an unauthorized event and that the CC in no way endorses or agrees with what I'm doing. I'm sure you can get one of the lawyer types to issue some sort of statement.
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Post by Meadows » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:22 pm

A great quote I've heard ...

Don't tell me what you're gonna do. Tell me what you've done.

Once you hold your fundraiser, contact me as I am the standing treasurer.

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Post by SCIN » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:31 pm

Great idea on the gate! Very cool. It'll be like walking through the pearly gates into a wonderland of killer climbing.
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Post by dustonian » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:49 pm

Way to go on raising money for keeping these crags open, RRGCC board folks! Your efforts are huge and much appreciated by the vast majority of us. Best to ignore the occasional dimwitted asswipe (or the one, rather) that doesn't feel this way.

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