Financial Support for Climbing from Climbers: The Problem

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Re: Financial Support for Climbing from Climbers: The Proble

Post by caribe » Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:50 pm

Jeff wrote:Very nice L-climber. We need more like you around here. Much appreciated and I didn't see a word of it as spray.
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Re: Financial Support for Climbing from Climbers: The Proble

Post by pigsteak » Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:26 pm

caribe wrote:
pigsteak wrote:I am not an accountant or anything, but I have no idea where you come up with $590,000 over 200,000 contributors, whihc is like $2.70 per person yet your breakdown is in the hundreds...help.
Regarding the math, as long as the distribution curve describes the relative contributions from each group it is all good. The total just describes the sample size.
• As to the rest of your points, during my education I have actually had to be homeless for four months straight. I slept at the University in Lounges and in my lab. I had the janitor schedules dialed to effectively avoid them. During this time I still managed to drink beer now and then. I know that most young people do not have money falling out of their butt ends.

red herring...if you are in college, you "choose" to be homeless....that is a sympathy play. but libs are good at that ;) last I heard college dorms pretty much took anyone, and gave youfinaicial aid to boot.

ok, your turn to tell me how you didn't qualify for aid, and that you were kicked out for being a savant...
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Re: Financial Support for Climbing from Climbers: The Proble

Post by caribe » Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:53 pm

pigsteak wrote:red herring...if you are in college, you "choose" to be homeless....that is a sympathy play. but libs are good at that ;) last I heard college dorms pretty much took anyone, and gave youfinaicial aid to boot. ok, your turn to tell me how you didn't qualify for aid, and that you were kicked out for being a savant...
I'll share those dark days with you sometime Mr. Steak. Online would be way too personal, and it would be not-interesting in the way Dr. Phil and Jerry Springer are not interesting.

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Re: Financial Support for Climbing from Climbers: The Proble

Post by pigsteak » Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:33 am

but I love Springer, so over a beer please do tell....;)
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Re: Financial Support for Climbing from Climbers: The Proble

Post by DriskellHR » Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:08 am

geez, I try and bust some balls and ya'll take me seriously.......... Not making light of what he has done. You all know how I feel about the work that goes on in our community. maybe if i had added a little, :wink: or a :D.........
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Re: Financial Support for Climbing from Climbers: The Proble

Post by vertical1 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:08 am

Without knowing the sample size of each age group to determine per capita giving, the numbers do not mean much. But with that said, all age groups should be giving more, either of time or money or both.

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Re: Financial Support for Climbing from Climbers: The Proble

Post by rhunt » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:57 am

I choose to give financially because these days, the few times I am able to make it down to the Red, I would rather climb....although recently I made a route contribution to the PMRP. And I gave more money when I was making less.

Ok so this is going to sound bad BUT.... Given that the Red seems to be turning into an over crowded gumby fest with irresponsible belaying and behavior amounting to access restrictions - Torrent Falls, no dog rules - Muir, and serious accidents due to incompetent belaying and behavior; how can I feel good about giving any more money than my usual amount? What if I see a very grim future for the Red and climbing over all, call me old crusty and negative but my money isn't going change that future. More secured access, giving back to Muir Valley, hell even working a trail day is not going to change the serious trends and problems we are see at the Red. What can you young'ins tell us old crusty climbers who have been climbing at the Red since the early 90's, who have a long term perspectives, that will help us see a future worth investing in?

I know this all sound stupid and I am just being negative and unrealistic so just take it as a purely hypothetical situation/question.
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Re: Financial Support for Climbing from Climbers: The Proble

Post by kdelap » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:06 am

We all give in our own ways, some more than others. What you have to remember when you give is you are making it possible for some stubborn college kid to get outside and see that there is more to existence than the books there nose has been in. They will be our next leaders. They will be the next Bob, Rick, Liz, and yourself.

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Re: Financial Support for Climbing from Climbers: The Proble

Post by rhunt » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:34 am

I am not sure I see it that way. Seems the more we give the more "they" build and develop and the more those "stubborn" college kids come and cause all the problems. "If you build it they will come", is a very real phenomenon. I am committed to finish what we started by financially contributing to paying off the loan for the PMRP but for me it kinda ends there.
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Re: Financial Support for Climbing from Climbers: The Proble

Post by pigsteak » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:37 pm

kdelap wrote:We all give in our own ways, some more than others. What you have to remember when you give is you are making it possible for some stubborn college kid to get outside and see that there is more to existence than the books there nose has been in. They will be our next leaders. They will be the next Bob, Rick, Liz, and yourself.

Give them a chance. Change our future.
maybe that is the problem...too many college kids...I like the idea of them studying instead.
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Re: Financial Support for Climbing from Climbers: The Proble

Post by DriskellHR » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:39 pm

While I don't completely agree with you Rhunt, you are not being negitive. The recent trends we have been seeing (lats3-5 yrs) indicates accidents are going to happen more often and more seriously. Your not the only one truly concerned with the future of access with the direction climbing is going. I love that more people are falling for the sport but its been too many too fast. Education and the learning curve we all survived is not getting the time it deserves by new climbers. This is reflected in peoples attitudes when you approach them at the cliff with a suggestion for safety, and the relentless barrage of "consumers" we are dealing with on a weekly basis (I.E. the webers bathroom disaster two weeks ago)...... sad and scary indeed

I fear its an issue that can really impact our future.
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Re: Financial Support for Climbing from Climbers: The Proble

Post by clif » Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:27 pm

weber wrote:True? Or were you just bantering?
clif wrote:walking through the Solarium sunday early afternoon oct. 10 i received a charitable donation of 4 bong hits from the assorted college age looking crowd.
Rick, i'm not sure if you had something to say in response to the pm i responded with to this post, your pm lacked smiley faces, so maybe this guy can help...

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Re: Financial Support for Climbing from Climbers: The Proble

Post by KD » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:18 pm

caribe wrote:
pigsteak wrote:red herring...if you are in college, you "choose" to be homeless....that is a sympathy play. but libs are good at that ;) last I heard college dorms pretty much took anyone, and gave youfinaicial aid to boot. ok, your turn to tell me how you didn't qualify for aid, and that you were kicked out for being a savant...
I'll share those dark days with you sometime Mr. Steak. Online would be way too personal, and it would be not-interesting in the way Dr. Phil and Jerry Springer are not interesting.
I was disqualified for financial aid and was kicked out for being a savant! They totally discriminate against us savants! Fuckin' anti-savantites!

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Re: Financial Support for Climbing from Climbers: The Proble

Post by bcombs » Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:51 pm

rhunt wrote:Given that the Red seems to be turning into an over crowded gumby fest ... how can I feel good about giving any more money than my usual amount?
Interesting. Knowing this has caused me to do the exact opposite. I'm focused on giving a bit more, doing a bit more, knowing that it is just that much more necessary.

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Re: Financial Support for Climbing from Climbers: The Proble

Post by louisville_climber » Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:48 pm

bcombs wrote:
Interesting. Knowing this has caused me to do the exact opposite. I'm focused on giving a bit more, doing a bit more, knowing that it is just that much more necessary.
Exactly.
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