Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

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Re: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

Post by Meadows » Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:18 am

If we get a list of dates available, can we vote on the dates (either here or through using Doodle.com)?

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Re: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

Post by Clevis Hitch » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:32 am

I Never really came down on one side of the issue or the other. I think that its a symptom and there is a cure. I also respect bold moves and statements. Besides I don't climb at the load and I never trust draws that I didn't place (Ben and Laura). Hell, Half the time I don't even trust the gear I Place!

So now on to the consequences: It seems that Petzl was planning a rock trip to the Red and that because of all the perma-draw controversy they have cancelled plans to visit the Red. That means that all of the money for cabin rentals and all of the development that would have happened isn't. This means that businesses that you are a fan of and people that you like are missing out on a chance to have make some real money. This happened because a select few have tried to set the standard for us all. I think that actions like this will happen because the growth of the RED has been stunted by onerous organizations and govermental entities not negotiating in good faith.


I propose that everyone put on their big boy pants and say they are sorry for raising a fuss and "let sleeping draws lie". We don't need to come up with any "policy" for gear. We need to send a message to the interested parties that the RED IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS!
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Re: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

Post by Toad » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:57 am

Clevis Hitch wrote:...they have cancelled plans to visit the Red.
What's the source here? Would be nice to know before the flames start shooting.
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Re: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

Post by toad857 » Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:44 pm

funny, considering that the petzl rocktrip was the reason the red blew up so fast like it did in the first place.

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Re: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

Post by KD » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:01 pm

who would want to date a pd anyway? Aren't they real real little people?

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Re: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

Post by climb2core » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:04 pm

KD wrote:who would want to date a pd anyway? Aren't they real real little people?
I heard they were a giant dick...

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Re: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

Post by KD » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:48 pm

exactly

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Re: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

Post by Josephine » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:58 pm

toad857 wrote:funny, considering that the petzl rocktrip was the reason the red blew up so fast like it did in the first place.
I started climbing in 2006, so I didn't know a whole lot about the history of the Red River Gorge. At the meeting with Shannon, I learned that after making the 2006 payment, the RRGCC was flat broke. They could no longer rely on one generous benefactor to continue the mortgage. Just about everyone (including most of the "locals" who live in KY) felt that the RRGCC was going to lose the property.

Michelle Ellington, Bentley Bracket and Morgain Sprague among others stepped up to the challenge of raising the entire $30k. I know Michelle told me how frustrating it was to try and solicit donations from local climbers, only to be told that there was no way to rasie that kind of money so they wouldn't contribute. This was no small task. had there been no petzl roc trip, there would probably be no PMRP today.

Until meeting with Shannon, I had no idea about that. If you're new to climbing, maybe you didn't know either.

Regardless of your beliefs, I personally believe that Petzl has done a wonderful thing for the RRG, and for the RRGCC, by providing the support we needed at a crucial time to make that payment. Obviously, they were not the only ones that made the payment that year, but their contribution was invaluable.
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Re: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

Post by Clevis Hitch » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:26 pm

I hate the way that the CC is run but you gotta give credit where credit is due.
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Re: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

Post by climb2core » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:31 pm

Clevis Hitch wrote:I hate the way that the CC is run but you gotta give credit where credit is due.
What the hell have you done with Joe and why are you using his account?

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Re: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

Post by clif » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:39 pm

training is for people who care, i have a job.

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Re: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

Post by businessprofessional » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:06 pm

toad857 wrote:safety meeting? yeah. my place.
right.

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Re: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

Post by Artsay » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:15 am

Clevis Hitch wrote:It seems that Petzl was planning a rock trip to the Red and that because of all the perma-draw controversy they have cancelled plans to visit the Red. That means that all of the money for cabin rentals and all of the development that would have happened isn't. This means that businesses that you are a fan of and people that you like are missing out on a chance to have make some real money. This happened because a select few have tried to set the standard for us all. I think that actions like this will happen because the growth of the RED has been stunted by onerous organizations and govermental entities not negotiating in good faith.
Sad but true...

Petzl will continue to support the Rocktoberfest event. This year they made a direct sponsorship contribution of $2500, donated $500 in gear for auction and prizes, provided athletes for clinics, contributed to the local economy, etc. and they have budgeted to do the same for next year.

Unfortunately, funds were being budgeted for RockTrip Reunion during this incident and the bad publicity affected budget finalization. It's tough to say what the loss from this is but I think it’s fair to say at least a good chunk of cash for land purchases as well as income to the local economy.
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Re: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

Post by Clevis Hitch » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:13 pm

I think that the ultimate solution is to bolt more quality routes and take the focus off of the shit show that the mother lode has become. At least during the fall. Long term... only more diversified routes will aleviate the pressure.

oh, BTW join the SBC and look for sustainable solutions...
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Re: Possible dates for a pd meeting in december

Post by toad857 » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:43 pm

businessprofessional wrote:
toad857 wrote:safety meeting? yeah. my place.
right.
exactly what a business professional would say.

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