Climbing Cost (of a day out)

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Climbing Cost (of a day out)

Post by caribe » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:18 am

I was talking about this with a friend who often drives. We came to the obvious conclusion that we'd much rather pay to ride with someone else because it gets weird when it comes time to pay for gas. Sometimes it feels like people are doing you a favor by paying you for driving. Often people just say goodbye leaving the driver with the tab. I wonder if the Cinci drivers have it worse.

From East side Lexington to the average Southern Region is 66 mi
mpg: ~24, price of gas $3.80
2 x (66 mi) / 24 (mi/gal) x $3.80 $/gal = $21
group of four people = $5/ person.
group of 2 = $10/ person
The math is pretty simple. Either you pay or someone else pays for you.

Now think about previous conversations about supporting climbing venues like Muir and the RRGCC/ PMRP. If climbers feel that they don't have to pay to get to the crag (an immediate obvious cost) they sure as hell don't have to pony up the cashola to support the venue attended.

This post is coming from a guy who often says, "don't worry about the gas, I got this one." I think we all need to shift our perspective a bit. Beer and climbing cost money and that is that.

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Re: Climbing Cost (of a day out)

Post by dustonian » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:29 am

Don't forget wear-&-tear on the car: tire wear/oil changes etc. I've always had the attitude that I'll be driving out there with or without the partner, so the money's the same to me either way. But then, I always wind up broke at the end of the month, so... ultimately the gas is significant but still way less than the cost of bolts/glue/gear etc.

We used to drive out to Yosemite or even Tuolumne for a day of climbing, and at Bay area gas prices:

2x 215 miles to Tuolumne Meadows/24mpg x $4.50/gallon = $80.63 + tolls @ $6 = $86.63!

Ouch!! Not to mention the 8.5 hours roundtrip... pretty psycho I guess, & a typical part of the "lifestyle." Lexington sure is nice sometimes... granted, the one-day missions were few and far between thankfully. Now I don't even want to drive back and forth at only 66 miles!

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Re: Climbing Cost (of a day out)

Post by Clevis Hitch » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:42 am

We should all quit our day jobs and sell pizzas!
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Re: Climbing Cost (of a day out)

Post by pigsteak » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:06 pm

Art, Dustin is right..the IRS gives you 55 cents a mile for driving your car for business purposes so that would be a better indicator of how much to pony up. 132 miles at that rate is $72.60. Don't be cheap when you ride with someone else. If they say $5, give them $10. If they say $10, give them $20.
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Post by Brentucky » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:12 pm

24mpg??? What are we a bunch of hippies? I'm a Republican!!!
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Re: Climbing Cost (of a day out)

Post by dustonian » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:15 pm

I get 37-40 mpg but my "car" is a total boner-killer. I miss the days of climbing trips being business-expense-related.

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Re: Climbing Cost (of a day out)

Post by bcombs » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:48 pm

I rarely take any gas money. We just usually swap turns driving. I'm sure it doesn't work out totally even in the end, but it's fine. Yas is the exception, she will force feed you at least a ten spot if you try to turn it down. Every once in awhile Ben will be playing in the car and find money she's stashed somewhere.

Pig, I'm going to pick you up next trip out. My fee is 20, so I'll be expecting 40. :lol:

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Re: Climbing Cost (of a day out)

Post by caribe » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:53 pm

Brentucky wrote:24mpg??? What are we a bunch of hippies? I'm a Republican!!!
No way . . .

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Re: Climbing Cost (of a day out)

Post by toad857 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:56 pm

Right. If you drive a truck that gets 15mpg, you are spending about $30 just for a daytrip to the Red from Lexington... wow. And it's over $70 if you're doing it from Cincinnati. A honda civic cuts the price by more than half.

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Re: Climbing Cost (of a day out)

Post by caribe » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:57 pm

pigsteak wrote: 132 miles at that rate is $72.60.
Piglet rides with me for free. Once in a while he bolts something I can climb.

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Re: Climbing Cost (of a day out)

Post by caribe » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:59 pm

toad857 wrote:Right. If you drive a truck that gets 15mpg, you are spending about $30 just for a daytrip to the Red from Lexington... wow. And it's over $70 if you're doing it from Cincinnati. A honda civic cuts the price by more than half.
Yep, do the math and go for a trade-in before everyone else get the same idea, you know, before the price you can get for your ride is basically determined by its mpg.

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Re: Climbing Cost (of a day out)

Post by toad857 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:33 pm

We Americans are retarded. See Figure 1, below:

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Re: Climbing Cost (of a day out)

Post by pigsteak » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:36 pm

thanks for the offer Brad...looks like Art is picking me up this weekend:)
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Re: Climbing Cost (of a day out)

Post by captain static » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:27 pm

Round trip from Cincy to the PMRP and back - 332 mi x .55 / mi = $182.60
Replace front axle shot from following Bost around on the back roads = $514.85
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Re: Climbing Cost (of a day out)

Post by lena_chita » Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:54 pm

caribe wrote:I was talking about this with a friend who often drives. We came to the obvious conclusion that we'd much rather pay to ride with someone else because it gets weird when it comes time to pay for gas. Sometimes it feels like people are doing you a favor by paying you for driving. Often people just say goodbye leaving the driver with the tab. I wonder if the Cinci drivers have it worse.

From East side Lexington to the average Southern Region is 66 mi
mpg: ~24, price of gas $3.80
2 x (66 mi) / 24 (mi/gal) x $3.80 $/gal = $21
group of four people = $5/ person.
group of 2 = $10/ person
The math is pretty simple. Either you pay or someone else pays for you.

Now think about previous conversations about supporting climbing venues like Muir and the RRGCC/ PMRP. If climbers feel that they don't have to pay to get to the crag (an immediate obvious cost) they sure as hell don't have to pony up the cashola to support the venue attended.

This post is coming from a guy who often says, "don't worry about the gas, I got this one." I think we all need to shift our perspective a bit. Beer and climbing cost money and that is that.
Yeah, I feel your pain... 66 miles from Lexington, yes, very painful indeed!

Now try this: 393 mi from Cleveland x 2 ways / 25mpg x $3.80 for gas = $120 round trip! And that doesn't count the driving around the gorge itself.

Luckily though, for longer trips people are much more likely to pony up for gas. It is easy to shrug off a 1hr drive, especially if regular partners do a good job of alternating cars, but for a 3-tank trip people pay attention

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