Nice Outside Online arcticle on Muir Valley

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Nice Outside Online arcticle on Muir Valley

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Re: Nice Outside Online arcticle on Muir Valley

Post by THB » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:28 pm

Very nice article... anyone who has ever climbed in Muir Valley (or anyone that ever plans to climb in Muir Valley) should read this article.

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Re: Nice Outside Online arcticle on Muir Valley

Post by tactless » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:40 pm

Where is the $60k a year going? It's been asked over and over and over again, but no one really knows.

If I donate today - will Muir be open tomorrow? Once again, the question keeps coming up and there are no clear answers.

It seems to me that article is saying in essence "Muir Valley is a monster we've created and we don't know how to sustain it so unless someone else comes along to do it, MV will go the way of Pocket Wall"

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Re: Nice Outside Online arcticle on Muir Valley

Post by clif » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:14 pm

the new moderators are the worst. is that you c2c??
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Re: Nice Outside Online arcticle on Muir Valley

Post by climb2core » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:47 pm

We are hoping to have public figures for this spring. In the mean time you can contact Roger Vandamme by phone at 317-525-3015 or email at: [email protected]. The budget is justified and that doesn't include all the expenses that the Webers are picking up. For example, did you know that the gravel road from the start where you turn off the paved road is maintained by Muir Valley. That is just one example. There are many more examples that justify this expense. Think about the access to Muir vs Sore Heel or Coal Bank Hollow on a yearly basis. Do you ever have a problem getting your Toyota Corolla to the parking lot at Muir? How about that emergency road to the valley floor that allows ambulances access? Toilets at the parking lot and planned ones for the valley floor this year. Equipment to purchase and maintain. Paid labor to clear trails and repair roads. Etc, etc..

Like I said, this has been identified as something of value for the public and working toward transparently sharing this info. I am working on a sub committee for fundraising. However, my comments do not represent the BOD for FoMV and you can talk to them directly if you wish.

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Re: Nice Outside Online arcticle on Muir Valley

Post by cliftongifford » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:18 pm

tactless wrote: If I donate today - will Muir be open tomorrow?
Yep, it'll be open tomorrow...
you can donate here: http://www.muirvalley.com/donations.html or here: http://www.friendsofmuirvalley.org/?page_id=6

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Re: Nice Outside Online arcticle on Muir Valley

Post by Lateralus » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:19 pm

who cares where the $ goes ? Some nice people are letting you climb for a small donation on their land. They can do whatever they want with the $, it's none of your business whatsoever. Please tell us how you can't afford $5 to go climbing for the day.
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Post by dustonian » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:24 pm

Lateralus wrote:who cares where the $ goes ? Some nice people are letting you climb for a small donation on their land. They can do whatever they want with the $, it's none of your business whatsoever. Please tell us how you can't afford $5 to go climbing for the day.
+1

Typical entitled climber mentality... spend hundreds of bucks in gas to get to the crag and back every weekend, but can always find some justification to avoid dropping a few bills in the box to support the places they climb.

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Re: Nice Outside Online arcticle on Muir Valley

Post by clif » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:29 pm

well, Lateralus, i do. and, not that i have access to the numbers to make clear, but concerns about expenses would seem to have helped reduced the annual overhead from over $80,000 to close to $60,000....according to the article.
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Re: Nice Outside Online arcticle on Muir Valley

Post by climb2core » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:37 pm

Last year we had 13 sustainable donors. That is people that set up a recurring donation of at least $5. Of that 13, 4 of them were me or my friends that I recruited last year. I want to get 100 people this year. I can tell you this with certainty.... if the community can't show that they are willing to financially and operationally support Muir Valley now, it will not be a climbing venue in the future. That is not a threat, just a reality.

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Re: Nice Outside Online arcticle on Muir Valley

Post by climb2core » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:39 pm

clif wrote:well, Lateralus, i do. and, not that i have access to the numbers to make clear, but concerns about expenses would seem to have helped reduced the annual overhead from over $80,000 to close to $60,000....according to the article.

$60k is about Friends of Muir Valleys goal for fundraising. There are additional costs covered by the Webers. Additionally, once they are not operating Muir Valley we must hire someone to do much of the work they do on a weekly basis now. Also, things not well publicized is that the Webers understand there are costs for improvements that are not routine or necessary. For example, did you know that the shelter by the parking lot was covered by the Webers and that they would never ask for or expect reimbursement for.

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Re: Nice Outside Online arcticle on Muir Valley

Post by michaelarmand » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:20 pm

Not to call anyone out but the "I don't know where the money goes" line is simply an excuse people use to justify not giving. This applies to much more than climbing - faith and other charitable groups hear this nonsense all the time. If someone doesn't want to give there is nothing you show them to change their mind.

If you call yourself a climber you should be supporting PMRP/FOMV/Access fund, period.
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Re: Nice Outside Online arcticle on Muir Valley

Post by ynp1 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:57 pm

Here is the other option... Don't climb at muir valley! This will reduce the cost and impact, on the webers land.

Here is the new movement, "DO NOT CLIMB IN MUIR VALLEY!!!", If you love the place...

Then it will return to the land it was ten years ago!
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Re: Nice Outside Online arcticle on Muir Valley

Post by dustonian » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:05 pm

ynp1 wrote:Then it will return to the land it was ten years ago!
You mean the unofficial Wolfe county dump and Superfund site?

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Re: Nice Outside Online arcticle on Muir Valley

Post by clif » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:57 am

i hope ya'll are happy with your convictions
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