Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

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Dyno wall RF 2013

Poll ended at Sat May 18, 2013 10:13 am

YES, $5,000 is totally worth it and YES I would pay to enter
7
13%
YES, $5,000 is totally worth it but NO I would not pay to enter
18
34%
NO, it's not worth it
28
53%
 
Total votes: 53

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Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by RRGCC » Wed May 08, 2013 10:13 am

Last year the RRGCC's dyno wall was deemed unfit for use and was retired (we got 5 or 6 years out of it). Due to costs and time limits the RRGCC opted to forego building a new dyno wall in our 2012 RF event. This was met with mixed feelings from the community.

We have redesigned the dyno wall which will make it easier to setup, more durable and built with longevity of the system in mind, as well as remove the outriggers which were a danger for climbers. The climbable area will increase by about 50 square feet but it will generally look the same as it did in years past with a few more angels to make things a little more interesting.

This design does not come cheaply. With 1/4" steel custom made bracketing, a bolt together framing system. and the material required to balance the whole rig we are looking around $5,000 for the whole project (donations are, of course, welcome). This is a lot of YOUR money so we are bringing the debate to you, the community, to decide.

So is it worth the price to bring it back? And would you pay a little to enter the dyno comp to help offset the costs?

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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by clif » Wed May 08, 2013 10:48 am

if it's built off the edge of Mill Creek Pond with springboards on top!!!
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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by Cromper » Wed May 08, 2013 11:14 am

Probably not worth it in my opinion but I could see where someone might justify the costs. All about having fun.

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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by Cromper » Wed May 08, 2013 11:15 am

clif wrote:if it's built off the edge of Mill Creek Pond with springboards on top!!!
And hell yes!

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Post by Andrew » Wed May 08, 2013 1:24 pm

Cromper wrote:Probably not worth it in my opinion but I could see where someone might justify the costs. All about having fun.
It seems like it would be difficult to calculate walls ROI, but if you can argue that its worth it then do it. But it sure could buy a lot of bolts, gravel, etc.
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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by Willy » Wed May 08, 2013 2:42 pm

If its built to last then its an investment and well worth it IMO. Most of the people on this website aren't the lot of young out of town folks that I would guess will pay to enter. If we could see figures for how much money the dyno comp raised in previous years though this would be an easier decision to make.

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Post by Josephine » Wed May 08, 2013 2:52 pm

Willy wrote:If its built to last then its an investment and well worth it IMO. Most of the people on this website aren't the lot of young out of town folks that I would guess will pay to enter. If we could see figures for how much money the dyno comp raised in previous years though this would be an easier decision to make.
The RRGCC has never charged for the Dyno wall in the past. If we build it and charge and no one pays, it's a loose loose. If we build it and people are willing to pay, it will pay for itself over x years and eventually earn income for the RRGCC - everyone wins. If we build it and don't charge, those people that enjoy the dyno comp may think it was worth it but other donors may think we wasted their money.

I know it's wishful thinking, but It sure would be great if someone would volunteer to contribute $5,000 :wink:
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Post by woodchuck008 » Wed May 08, 2013 4:26 pm

Seems there were also a few rules problems , disqualifications or holds held but not counted, somebody got ripped off in the womens a couple years ago...(besides the totally yanked off launching hold that one year!!)....I'd say the whole concept needs a rework for the comp part of it, if a new wall is built.

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Post by krampus » Wed May 08, 2013 4:52 pm

Josephine wrote: The RRGCC has never charged for the Dyno wall in the past. If we build it and charge and no one pays, it's a loose loose. If we build it and people are willing to pay, it will pay for itself over x years and eventually earn income for the RRGCC - everyone wins. If we build it and don't charge, those people that enjoy the dyno comp may think it was worth it but other donors may think we wasted their money.
If we charge people to enter, they may not enter. How much would we have to charge for it to pay for itself over the expected lifetime of the wall? Now adjust for inflation....Well, I doubt we could charge enough for the wall to pay for itself, the investment is not one of direct return. However, we can't expect bram or those guys from bloomington to bring the crate stacking comp every year (we can hope of course), and while odub can draw a crowd, even he might appreciate having some backup entertainment. The value of the dyno comp comes from the entertainment it brings as a whole. Will the one time cost for the construction of the wall add enough entertainment value to keep people coming back? I have no data on the matter and this value would be hard to asses but the more we have available for people to do and watch, the more likely it is that they will come back. I think the expense for the wall would be worth it in the long run. It may not be the largest draw of people but the combination of Odub/crate stacking/dyno comp sounds way better than just having any one of the three. My qualitative guess would be that it would take at least two to tango. Of course, the 23 string band has its own appeal
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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by Prog_Rocker » Wed May 08, 2013 6:38 pm

At the New River Rendezvous the dyno comp is included in your registration. The only thing not included I think are their clinics.

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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by DriskellHR » Wed May 08, 2013 7:16 pm

If something don't change drastically in the poll it does not look like I will be building one. Cant say i'm too disappointed but it would be cool to have for other events.

And woodchuck should that ever change i'll count you in as the dyno comp organizer. Seems you know how to do it better........ 8)
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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by crazyhair » Wed May 08, 2013 7:51 pm

What would we do with it the other 364 days out of the year? Could people donate to use it? Keep it out behind the shop as a gimmick?

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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by DriskellHR » Wed May 08, 2013 7:57 pm

Liability would neither allow us to let anyone other than the RRGCC use it, nor could we leave it unattended at miguels. (we don't want the liability and i'm sure Miguel would not either)

It could be used for other RRGCC events.
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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by clif » Wed May 08, 2013 8:20 pm

ok, i'm throwing this out there, i know it's mostly too cold to swim at Lago Linda's during Rocktoberfest, but people...eh

anyway. at J&A trailday the slip and slide could use a little compliment. if this thing were on wheels/movable... the deep end of Linda's is at least 8 ft., prolly 10+.

i'm not saying it's worth it-
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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by One-Fall » Wed May 08, 2013 8:43 pm

Thanks for checking with the community.
Can't we all just get along?

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