Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

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Dyno wall RF 2013

Poll ended at Sat May 18, 2013 10:13 am

YES, $5,000 is totally worth it and YES I would pay to enter
7
13%
YES, $5,000 is totally worth it but NO I would not pay to enter
18
34%
NO, it's not worth it
28
53%
 
Total votes: 53

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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by captain static » Wed May 08, 2013 9:32 pm

I don't think people realize how much effort Mike put into this project. He has consulted with people who design climbing walls and has built a couple models of the wall. He has also done his homework on developing cost estimates to put the wall together. It would be a shame to see all this effort go to waste.
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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by dustonian » Wed May 08, 2013 10:41 pm

I think the poll is flawed... There should be an option for those who think it's worth spending the money on but don't want to enter. Most people just like to spectate. That said, 5 grand is a lot of money and there are a lot of other things in the PMRP and elsewhere in need of investment (ie. a parking lot being #1 in my opinion).

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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by DriskellHR » Wed May 08, 2013 10:47 pm

I appreciate that bill but I'd rather do what the community wants. I have not expended much effort on it this year (far far less then last years design work) so it's no biggie. And I agree there are many other things we could spend the cash on. Personally I feel we could get a large portion of the wall donated but unless that happens on its own I'm going to table the idea for this year. Maybe we can revisit it next year and see what folks think then
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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by Willy » Wed May 08, 2013 11:10 pm

I vote we add a specific donation box on rrgcc.org for it. I'd be willing to throw in a few bucks for it every now and then to help secure the future entertainment of watching drunk dude bros trying to dyno.

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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by Cromper » Thu May 09, 2013 12:33 am

dustonian wrote:I think the poll is flawed... There should be an option for those who think it's worth spending the money on but don't want to enter. Most people just like to spectate. That said, 5 grand is a lot of money and there are a lot of other things in the PMRP and elsewhere in need of investment (ie. a parking lot being #1 in my opinion).
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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by Bum » Thu May 09, 2013 1:21 am

No one has any questions about the wall design?
Are the panels going to be professionally built, or are they going to be built in someone's garage?
A typical 4x8x3/4 panel (including tnuts) from a well known company costs around $350-550.
A 4x8x3/4 plywood panel from Lowes is $40.
I feel like $5000 is quite a bit for a simple plywood bouldering wall.

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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by DriskellHR » Thu May 09, 2013 6:38 am

Bum, i'm not going to get into the design details there is no point. But it was not just a "simple" bouldering wall........

here let me make this clear


WE WILL NOT BE BUILDING ONE!! so what's the point?

and please feel free to get a quote on a bouldering wall. since we clearly have not done our homework. you can go get the engineers report calculate the load stresses and design a freestanding counterweighed system that can be moved and reused indefinitely. not to mention covering the construction with a full insurance policy. do that and see where your numbers are......... :roll:
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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by J-Ru » Thu May 09, 2013 8:50 am

I'm not a market research analyst, but I have some doubts that the users of this forum (i.e. voters) are truly representative of the RRGCC or Rocktoberfest attendees. I also agree with Dustonian that the questions may be leading to skewed results. And, as mentioned above, if Rocktoberfest it a big source of RRGCC $ and/or we want to keep it fun we have to have fun stuff to do or watch, preferably climbing related.

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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by pkananen » Thu May 09, 2013 9:01 am

Have we tried to get a wall manufacturer to loan the wall/sponsor this event?

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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by krampus » Thu May 09, 2013 9:23 am

I agree J-Ru, that is basically what I was trying to say but got lost in weird analogies and such. Rocktoberfest is our little Miely Cirus, anything we can do to keep people coming is worth it if you ask me.
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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by RRO » Thu May 09, 2013 9:36 am

The old saying, gotta spend money to make money.....while 5k is a fair amount of skrilla to help with immediate needs as pointed out, it can also be used as a catalyst to help generate much more in the long term. My vote is go for it...out of any portion of the RF, the dyno comp draws the biggest crowds to watch. More than movie, more than band , more than anything. Vendors expect it, and if approached and pimped out I'm guessing they will front the cash or at least help. Spectators expect it, it's a climbing event, you have to have clImbing related activities to watch and do. If you don't then people can hang out and drink beer for free at many other locations, you want them to pay to do that, entertain them. If the wall is used for 5 years, figuring 1k a year spent compared to vendor/spectator draw/atmosphere it creates is a no brainer and it will help raise much more money to spend on immidiate needs. Hillbillies two cents....
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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by clif » Thu May 09, 2013 9:42 am

i could go for it but would like for it to see more than once a year use, like those state fair gigs or county development get togethers/visibility spots. just for a 'counterweight' comparison i'll add

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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by RRO » Thu May 09, 2013 9:49 am

While in time I'm guessing it could be incorporated into more events. The planning and implementation of that is unknown, not undoable and good idea, just unknown...so for sake of the issue at hand let's all think if the <1k a year is worth the risk to reward it brings to RF( and especially since a portion of that will be generated from vendors).

As a company I got 100, I expect a RRO advertisement on the wall and a dyno problem set and mentioned during the comp. 4900 left and it will be easy to get if we all put our knee pads on now.
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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by RRO » Thu May 09, 2013 10:01 am

A tractor would be great investment, getting the county and oil company to take care of, even better....but really, I see no reason why both can't happen and in reality both wall/tractor will feed each other in the budget needs...good ideas y'all, I'm out to enjoy the sunshine and prep for my new knee tomorrow
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Re: Dyno wall Rocktoberfest 2013?

Post by Andrew » Thu May 09, 2013 10:33 am

RRO wrote:The old saying, gotta spend money to make money.....while 5k is a fair amount of skrilla to help with immediate needs as pointed out, it can also be used as a catalyst to help generate much more in the long term. My vote is go for it...out of any portion of the RF, the dyno comp draws the biggest crowds to watch. More than movie, more than band , more than anything. Vendors expect it, and if approached and pimped out I'm guessing they will front the cash or at least help. Spectators expect it, it's a climbing event, you have to have clImbing related activities to watch and do. If you don't then people can hang out and drink beer for free at many other locations, you want them to pay to do that, entertain them. If the wall is used for 5 years, figuring 1k a year spent compared to vendor/spectator draw/atmosphere it creates is a no brainer and it will help raise much more money to spend on immidiate needs. Hillbillies two cents....
This is the type of argument/explanation that I was looking for. Sounds like you should build it.
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