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Gates closed and locked

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Re: Gates closed and locked

Post by Rotarypwr345704 » Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:19 pm

I never did quite understand the reasons behind such measures. It costs them nothing to leave the gates unlocked. But now that's it's locked and you're not supposed to go on the land, how could they regulate that? Because the funding isn't there to keep someone posted at the gates, or it wouldn't be locked in the first place.
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Re: Gates closed and locked

Post by clif » Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:28 pm

i've never been invited to a teabagger party, but if bike only access and free camping are part of the plan....
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Post by ted » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:29 pm

Rotarypwr345704 wrote:I never did quite understand the reasons behind such measures. It costs them nothing to leave the gates unlocked. But now that's it's locked and you're not supposed to go on the land, how could they regulate that? Because the funding isn't there to keep someone posted at the gates, or it wouldn't be locked in the first place.

its more about road and access "maintenance". Government shutdown doesn't seem to be a big problem if you got two working legs and enjoy free camping.

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Re: Gates closed and locked

Post by bentley » Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:23 pm

For the record the PMRP and MFRP are open, they always have been and always will be. There are no gates to lock only trails to hike and routes to climb.

Please enjoy these wonderful assets that we as a climbing community own and love.

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Re: Gates closed and locked

Post by ynp1 » Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:58 pm

But there are gates at the PMRP, and if we don't pay, then they maybe locked... Or is that just a threat from the past???
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Re: Gates closed and locked

Post by bentley » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:04 am

The only gates on the PMRP are from the oil company to limit vehicle traffic up what would become a difficult drive. Most of them are not locked. That is why we have dedicated parking areas.

There has never been a threat of closing the PMRP. However when something is financed, the same way it applies to a house or car, if you default on the loan you risk that financed asset being taken away.

The PMRP was paid in full in 2012 and at that time it was put into a land trust. The PMRP will always be open.

The MFRP is currently financed through the Access Fund Land Conservation Campaign. Just as with the PMRP, we are confident we can make the mortgage payments on this great piece of land but only with the support of the climbing industry and climbing community!

Hope to see you at Rocktoberfest next weekend!
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Re: Gates closed and locked

Post by Andrew » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:17 am

What is the time line or plan for full access to the public for Miller Fork?

Are we waiting for full infrastructure to be developed or is the RRGCC willing to just say "its open, but at your own risk and don't screw it up, break your car, get stuck, or block people in."

I am in no way being critical of the process or the RRGCC, and I am just curious.
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Re: Gates closed and locked

Post by RRGCC » Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:18 am

The RRGCC has never said that access to the PMRP or MFRP is restricted or closed.

Any visitor to either property must complete a land use waiver, and you can do that here.
https://www.smartwaiver.com/w/51c2134a209ee/web/

We are currently working on the Flat Holler parking area, which should be completed by Rocktoberfest. Then our focus will turn back to infrastructure on the MFRP.

And yes: as always, please do not block roads, oil wells and turn-arounds.

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Re: Gates closed and locked

Post by Andrew » Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:22 am

I am not saying that the RRGCC has stated that access is restricted, but I do believe that not publishing directions is not "full" access.

Another question. Would the RRGCC be supportive if a person posted full directions on this site or at all the climbing gyms?

I am asking because a lot of people keep asking me "when is it going to open?". I respond with "it is". Then I get "can you give me directions?"

I am not sure how to respond to the "directions" question???

Even as a developer I am getting a lot of conflicting information and rumors and I do not want to be saying or doing the wrong thing.
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Re: Gates closed and locked

Post by clif » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:14 pm

thanks for the original post. if any of our ADHD online friends didn't read that far, i want to emphasize the road closures listed:

Tunnel Ridge Road
Chimney Top Road
Rock Bridge Road
Sky Bridge Road
Indian Creek Road

perhaps stating the obvious:

except for the few willing to walk or bike in, this closes off most of the gorge.

if this goes on during rocktoberfest it could get interesting in the southlands. i think Andrew's concerns may need some consideration.
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Re: Gates closed and locked

Post by chandler » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:30 pm

FYI: Forest Service law enforcement is excepted from the shutdown.

http://www.usda.gov/documents/usda-fs-shutdown-plan.pdf

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Re: Gates closed and locked

Post by ynp1 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:14 pm

I was making a joke about the wooden gates that were put up on the way into solar and around sore heal area. The ones that were there to help remind people to donate. I think they are still there right?
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Re: Gates closed and locked

Post by Mark W » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:34 pm

clif wrote:thanks for the original post. if any of our ADHD online friends didn't read that far, i want to emphasize the road closures listed:

Tunnel Ridge Road
Chimney Top Road
Rock Bridge Road
Sky Bridge Road
Indian Creek Road

perhaps stating the obvious:

except for the few willing to walk or bike in, this closes off most of the gorge.

if this goes on during rocktoberfest it could get interesting in the southlands. i think Andrew's concerns may need some consideration.
I think this is a bit of an exaggeration.

From what I've read, climbers would still be able to park at the trailheads along state highways (KY-715, KY-77) and climb at Tower Rock, Funk Rock City, Military Wall, Left Flank, Jewell Pinnacle, Fortress Wall, Phantasia and a handful of other crags. I assume that they gated Indian Creek Road at the bridge or perhaps at its junction with the pavement, but the Forest Road (FR 23) that leaves connects KY-77 with a county road (North Fork Road) should be open, providing access to Long Wall.

The "Sky Bridge Road" that is being referred to is the approximately mile-long paved spur road maintained by the Forest Service that leads from KY-715 to the parking area for Sky Bridge Arch Trail, NOT KY-715 which is sometimes called "Sky Bridge Road".

If this is wrong, please correct me but everything I've read has made me thing this is the case and that statements about the Red being "closed" are exaggerations.

The closure of those gravel roads is more of an inconvenience to hikers more than climbers, since that's where a lot of the trailheads are.

Personally, I don't mind seeing those areas of the RRG which are overused and abused by visitors most every weekend from March to November get a break, I just wish the circumstances weren't so absurd and detrimental to persons who work for the federal government, or whose businesses depend on access to public lands. I'm looking forward to loading my touring bicycle up and pedaling out Tunnel Ridge Road or Indian Creek Road and camping. Depending on how long this shutdown goes on I could be pretty spoiled by the time it ends and re-adjusting to idiot drivers on gravel roads could be quite the "culture shock".

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Re: Gates closed and locked

Post by clif » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:35 pm

oh. i hope/think you're right. i def. thought ESB/Funk rock were out of reach. i one point i thought i saw nada tunnel road was closed put that's just me being f'ed up.
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