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Re: Dam... Beavers

Postby DriskellHR » Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:23 pm

Live traps and dam busting are the plan if you really want to know. I'm not big on senseless killing.
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Re: Dam... Beavers

Postby dustonian » Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:47 pm

They don't really want to know anything, they just wanna bitch and whine.
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Re: Dam... Beavers

Postby clif » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:07 pm

you're projecting dustonian
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Re: Dam... Beavers

Postby whatahutch » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:16 pm

I say skin 'em and sale them to the French when they come to the Red. The proceeds could go towards keeping the climbing open. No need to let a good pelt go to waste when you already have it in your hand. Historically speaking, our French brethren climbers should love this. It worked 500 years ago, so this profit stream should work today too. Duh. Now we just need someone to be the translator to work the deal between our two great nations. I would volunteer, since I took French in high school, but I embarrassingly only remember how to say "kiss my butt" in French. (I sort of remember how "stand up and leave the classroom" sounds too-since my teacher told me that quite a bit-but I don't think I could remember enough to work a deal for the trade of our beaver furs, sorry). Seriously, case solved. It is a win for all of us. Money, pelts, and climbing. Next, we can trade shiny stuff to the natives in Nada for climbing in their backyards.

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Re: Dam... Beavers

Postby ynp1 » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:52 pm

Yeah same old shit. You say something that is not in line with the CC, and you are called whiney and a btich...

This is third grade debate tactics... SO, when you don't have something to come back with... Just label and call names. Nice.

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Re: Dam... Beavers

Postby allah » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:34 pm

moving the beavers is by far worse than taking down a tree! Climbers are such hypocrites!
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Re: Dam... Beavers

Postby Artsay » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:04 pm

Eeek. This is a nasty ugly predicament to be in!

Those dams are impressive. The beavers are living the good life down there and clearly aren't planning on going anywhere on their own.

Being ignorant to the whole beaver thing, I looked into it and found this educational video that pretty much locked in my viewpoint to be on the beaver's side (if anyone's interested?): http://animal.discovery.com/mammals/beaver-dam.htm

Miller Fork is fantastic and the high water thing is definitely an issue. What about looking into some other creek crossing options instead of beaver removal? Maybe building a cinder block ford? http://www.waldeneffect.org/blog/Crossi ... ing_Creek/
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Re: Dam... Beavers

Postby ynp1 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:18 pm

I agree with artsay, I think that dam is amazing!
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Re: Dam... Beavers

Postby whatahutch » Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:20 pm

If they are moved now, they will most likely die before spring comes. They use their dams as shelters for the winter. They may not die, but the chance is still good that they will. If live traps are the option at this time of the year a rifle is just as effective and possibly more humane than exposure or starvation death.
Beavers are pretty interesting creatures. Only we humans trump them in the ability to reshape the envirnments we live in. The dam will keep getting bigger and bigger each year, and the beavers may never move out on their own. If there is no other choice but removal (or extermination) maybe it should be done at a different time of the year. I don't know the timeframe for this, I'm just making a suggestion that may give the beavers a fighting chance to start a new home somewhere else.
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Re: Dam... Beavers

Postby ynp1 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:42 pm

I think we should remove Mike D. from land manager... We can use live traps if we all think that would be best.
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Re: Dam... Beavers

Postby DriskellHR » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:19 pm

Well your certainly entitled to your opinion. If you feel that strongly then I suggest you come to the next BOD meeting and tell the BOD your reasons. I'm sure they will be more than happy to hear you out.

That being said I have contacted an ecologist to best advise of what actions we should take. I should have something in the next couple weeks. Its all taking back seat to the 2 parking lots being constructed and the trail days being planned.

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Re: Dam... Beavers

Postby DriskellHR » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:23 pm

and thanks for the suggestions/links artsy. I did not realize this was such a hot button for folks. putting things on hold until we know what course of action (if anything) is best.
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Re: Dam... Beavers

Postby whatahutch » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:05 am

I see no need to remove Mike. In summary of something he stated in another post, he is just doing the dirty work of the CC and for us climbers. I just don't think moving the beavers now would not be very good for them. I am on the side of letting them stay in general, but I am serious when I say that a bullet in their furry little noggins would be better than the option of moving them. Where I grew up, though, this conversation would never have happened. The beavers would have been shot and left to the coyotes. Chainsaws, shovels, and a backhoe would clear the dam. (I suggest dynamite in the MFRP).

This is good that this sort of thing can be brought up in the public arena of our little community website. Hopefully the CC sees that its supporters don't think moving the beavers would be a good option at this point. There are bigger rodents to fry, like wood rats that inhabit cracks that I may wish to climb. I suggest smoking them out by burning our socks and underwear. That always worked for the raccoons treed in hollow trees in my hometown. Once the rats are out we can blow'em away with our double-ought 12s. (They'll friggin' explode like flying pinatas if we use a big enough gun. All I have to say to that is 'MERIKAA-nough said). If they come out of the cracks high enough it will be like shooting skeet, except we will have flying flaming rats as targets. If anyone tries this way of flushing wood rats, please wait until the flaming rat clears the face of the rock before firing. It would be terrible to have your shot ricochet off the wall and hit you, possibly causing harm to yourself. (Just think how stupid that would look). Just don't get trigger happy and wait to fire. If the flaming rat lives the jump and subsequent crash to the ground, you can just shoot it as it climbs your legs in vengeance.

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Re: Dam... Beavers

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Re: Dam... Beavers

Postby toad857 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:39 pm

whatahutch wrote:If they are moved now, they will most likely die before spring comes. They use their dams as shelters for the winter.


Dams, no. Lodges, yes.
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