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Post by wanderer » Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:25 am

Sorry J.H. didn't mean it to sound as though I was making light of your situation, yes it was an assault. If a dog bit me the owners would not only be paying for my doctor bills they would be paying for my new climbing gear that would be on order after Christian sues them for me. I bet if you walked by and bit the owner for no reason they'd sue you. How would you feel Yasmeen if some guy walked up and bit you in the arm or leg? I just don't understand why owners refuse to keep their animals under control 100% of the time. If they did none of this would ever be an issue.

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Post by RTimm » Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:26 am

How about this...If you know your dog is extremely annoying, tends to be aggressive towards strangers, or has had history of biting, keep it in the car when at crowded public places such as Miguel's. When at the crag, simply take a minute to tie some old webbing to it's collar and to a tree off the path. Oh, and please don't ever bring dogs that have a tendency to bark to a crag. I can't tell you how annoying it is to hear a dog barking at it's owner who happens to be climbing next to you while you are trying for a redpoint. Can you tell I have a little pent-up hostility?

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Post by Yasmeen » Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:28 am

Take legal action if you feel you must, but don't bring more violence into the situation. If you hate the way the dog is behaving, why behave even worse?
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Post by RTimm » Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:46 am

Legal action takes too long. :roll:

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Post by Guest » Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:57 am

I don't have the money to sue. If I did I, It would only be a counter suit because the owner tried to sue me after I killed their dog.

Yasmeen, If a child is mauled by a dog the first thing they do is put the dog down. If the owner of a dog beats a dog, do they put the owner down.? No. Dogs do not have the rights of humans.
I don't understand why you would even suggest that dogs and people are on, even close, to the same scale.

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Post by Gretchen » Tue Oct 14, 2003 7:11 am

JH, this was Reilly's first time ever at the Red. He has absolutely no history of biting anyone nor aggressive behavior.
Just genuinely disengenuous.

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Post by SikMonkey » Tue Oct 14, 2003 7:29 am

Andy Lemon said it best......PEPPER SPRAY! It works on bears, so I am willing to put a bit of cash down that it will work on biting dogs (i.e. if the dog does not bite me, then no problem).

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Post by Yasmeen » Tue Oct 14, 2003 7:54 am

J.H., have you noticed that nobody else at Miguel's has had problems with dogs, yet you've had problems with, what, three now? Hmmm...
J.H. wrote:I don't understand why you would even suggest that dogs and people are on, even close, to the same scale.
And they might not be on the same scale where general opinion is concerned, but most dogs are a whole lot more loyal than most humans I've met.
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Post by Christian » Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:56 am

Actually pepper spray doesn't always work on bears. Some bears like cayenne pepper.
to JH: if a dog bites you and has a history (one prior attack) of biting others,at least in Indiana, it won't cost you. The attorney you hire will take it on a contingency basis. The issue becomes what is the jury value of the injury: a couple of puncture wounds on a scraped up climber isn't worth as much as a child with permanent facial scarring. (I don't do that kind of work anymore so this isn't a solicitation). That may seem like a cold hearted analysis but that is how it works.

A different question, I think, is getting past the "how dare you" reaction. For Example: "how dare you have a dog that bites" how dare you for having a dog that scared me","how dare that car get in my lane while I'm driving 80 down I64"
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Post by Artsay » Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:58 am

Ya know, JH, I'm not concerned about my dogs biting you or anyone else. Our dogs don't bark, instigate confrontations with other animals, and they leave people alone.

Yet I find your post threatening
I feel that certain people give off vibes that dogs can read and your vibe seems to freak dogs out. I bet that, in all actuality, these dogs feel threatened by you.

So as far as I'm concerned, just to be fair, if you come by me or my dogs at the crag I will personally assault you. I don't want my dogs to feel threatened and will do whatever I can to protect them.

So go to the photo album and make sure you recognize pictures of Tika and Maizy on page 1.

Don't come near my dogs, bitch.
Does he have a strange bear claw like appendage protruding from his neck? He kep petting it.

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Post by Spragwa » Tue Oct 14, 2003 9:15 am

My dog does not bite and rarely barks. She is annoying if there are other dogs at the crag with which she wants to play b/c she will harass them mercilessly and stir up dust. This is a problem if there are others at the crag who don't like this and I try to be aware of that and tie her up. If she then whines or barks, I sit with her until she is settled. What is irritating is that I will yell at her to lie down. I know that it is noisy and bothers some people. I try but as always, it's not perfect.

It is greatly annoying to have barking, aggressive dogs at the cliff. Yasmeen and Artsay, I have to say that there are aggressive dogs around the crag. Dakota has been attacked a few times. I think it's because she's big and dogs are threatened. It's frustrating and scary when that happens. She has also defended a baby against a dog, which was cute but scary too. I prefer to have dogs at the cliff and will continue to bring my dog but to watch her as closely as I can.
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Post by Artsay » Tue Oct 14, 2003 9:34 am

Maizy has been attacked too. I'm not blind to what a good vs. bad dog is. I have no tolerance for bad dogs and will never own a bad dog because they piss me off. Common sense will tell you that aggressive dogs should be on a leash and unfortunately some owners don't have that.

But I've also been witness to a nice dog feeling threatened by a shady character and how that dog will respond. If JH truly has been bitten several times then I honestly feel he emits a threatening vibe to dogs. And if that's the case then even my good dogs may feel threatened by him and act out of character around him. Given his threat, I'm not going to allow that to happen.
Does he have a strange bear claw like appendage protruding from his neck? He kep petting it.

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Post by Christian » Tue Oct 14, 2003 9:34 am

Now Artsay I don't know if the same rules apply with you biting JH as dogs biting people. :wink:
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Post by rhunt » Tue Oct 14, 2003 9:44 am

[quote="Wes"]Agressive dogs have no place at the crag.

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Post by ynot » Tue Oct 14, 2003 9:52 am

To be fair,one of the dogs that bit JH, was tied up under the shelter where people congregate, and snapped at me twice for no reason. Im as nonthreatening as anyone. We both had a talk with the owner and I havent heard of any more problems. I am fine with dogs that behave .It's dog owners that deny their dogs are out of line that piss me off. If your dog has bittin anyone, leave it at home.If its as loveable as Raven, bring it along.
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