Vandalism back in the Gorge?

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Vandalism back in the Gorge?

Post by Steve » Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:07 pm

Here is a thread from over at kywilderness.com that folks around here should read and be aware of whats been going on in the good ole Gorge.

http://www.kywilderness.com/cgi/yabb/Ya ... 1067012757
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Post by Wicked Tribe » Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:15 pm

That's really bad. Hate to hear it. Unfortunately I fear that as long as there are people there will be vandalism. The best bet is to make yourself as little of a target as possible and not get attached to stuff too much.
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Post by climbhigh » Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:25 pm

That really blows. Unfortunately I have had first hand experience with the theft and vandalism at the Red. I’m still finding pieces of my old truck window thru out the cab. We all know the local law enforcement will not help us or break a sweat trying to find the culprits. I say its time to take matters in our own hands. Merrick and I were talking about rounding up about 8-10 guys with bats, #7 tri-cams and whatever else they feel like bringing. Set-up a car full of gear, wait in the woods, and when they come beat the living shit out them. It may not solve the problem, but I bet it would make the next lazy no good son of a bitch think twice before he broke into another car. Any volunteers ?!?!?!?!?

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Post by merrick » Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:29 pm

man that is pisses me off so bad. i am not normally a violent person but it just makes me want to kill those guys.

i think some media attention is the best way to fight it for sure. a little fire under the cops asses could go a long way.
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Post by rhunt » Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:29 pm

Bring a knife and cut off their fingers OR bring a gun and blow their nuts off! :twisted:

Then leave them for the local law enforement to deal with! :twisted:
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Post by Scaife » Tue Oct 28, 2003 3:46 pm

Bring a knife and cut off their fingers OR bring a gun and blow their nuts off!
Well, that will definitely get media attention.

Oh course, any illegal action the climbers try to take will probably to punished to the full extent of the law, while the locals label the vandals as victims. :(
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Post by Christian » Tue Oct 28, 2003 3:54 pm

When I hear or read about stuff like that I feel angry and sad. Vandalism as a word doesn't seem to cover that kind of behavior. We have a mailbox that is routinely smashed and I have thought about setting up one of those game cameras they use to photo animals at night. Some good photographic evidence would help prosecuting these people. My guess is from the degree of destruction it was probably boys in there late teens. :(
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Post by ynot » Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:56 pm

Bashing mailboxes is a federal offense. Get a plate # and the feds will handle it.
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Post by Ernie » Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:36 pm

I know that several cars were broken into the weekend before last in the mother load parking lot. A license from one of the wallets stollen was found at a grocery store in Beatyville. Unfortanitaly these are probably locals doing the vandalism/stealing. Of course the cops did nothing which leads me to believe that the only solution is to leave NOTHING of value in your car and the doors unlocked. It really sucks that this is even an issue. Several years ago when the break-ins were happening at roadside a female friend of mine had her stuff stolen from under stay the hand and when she went to the parking lot to see if her car was ok she was chased by the man up the trail and later found all four of her tires slashed by an ice ax. The cops took one look at her out of state license plate and New York ID and said, sorry there is nothing we can do. I expect we will get no help from the local athorities but maybe someday someone will catch them. A guy we were climbing with the weekend of the break-in at the load happened to walk down just as the car speed off. He got a good look at what car they were driving. I think the J.H can give you a better discription. So heads-up everyone and make sure there is nothing you would miss in your cars when you go climbing for the day.

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Post by Guest » Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:02 am

Yeah, I was trying to catch some one on Fixer and I was flying low. I didn't come upon any one. As for me seeing a car, I didn't. I did a little checking around and I came up with two 4-wheelers that were down there that day. One of them was a Quadzilla. It's a relatively rare 4-wheeler. It's very distinctive, its almost as wide as a small car. Very fast to. 500 cc 2 cycle single cylinder. Racing quadrunner. They were down there all dayon the day the stuff got stolen. So if you are in the S/R and you see this quad running around then WATCH OUT!!! It may be the perpetrator. http://www.dirtgirlzextreme.com/quadzilla.

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Post by wanderer » Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:48 pm

This is definately not something I wanted to hear again. I thought the vandalism was finally coming to end after many good reports the last few years. I've never had a problem yet, thank goodness, on any of my past hiking trips and hope to stay clear during my future rock climbing trips.

I would guess any attempt at a stakeout will be worthless because apparently these guys have a system that is working pretty good. Hell, they could be reading this forum right now to get ideas on where to hit next.

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Post by Alan Evil » Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:54 pm

Two words:

Hunting rifle.
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Post by tomdarch » Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:46 am

Now, now - don't do anything illegal!

On a totally unrelated point, I was thinking about a story I heard from relatives from Czechoslovakia about the bad old days of Communist rule. People would hike in the woods near the Polish border (near the Tatra mountains) The border with Poland wasn't always marked. Sometimes, when people were caught by the Polish border patrol on the wrong side of the border, they would be dragged deep into the forest and have their feet beaten severely. They would then be left in the forest to drag themselves out with swollen, broken feet. Absolute torture.

I can't imagine why that came to mind just now.
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Post by Alan Evil » Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:09 am

Ok, two different words:

Telephoto lense.

And two different words:

FBI

Well, that's actually three letters that stand for four words but you get the idea.
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Post by Christian » Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:47 am

tomdarch wrote:On a totally unrelated point, I was thinking about a story I heard from relatives from Czechoslovakia about the bad old days of Communist rule. People would hike in the woods near the Polish border (near the Tatra mountains) The border with Poland wasn't always marked. Sometimes, when people were caught by the Polish border patrol on the wrong side of the border, they would be dragged deep into the forest and have their feet beaten severely. They would then be left in the forest to drag themselves out with swollen, broken feet. Absolute torture.

I can't imagine why that came to mind just now.
I don't know why either but my brain does that too. :lol:
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