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DBNF New Supervisor and LAND SALE?

Post by Saxman » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:47 pm

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Post by gulliver » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:01 am

Here is a listing of potential parcels.


http://www.fs.fed.us/land/staff/spd.html

Click back to the Home page and you can link to the ins and outs of this thing. I don't have a problem with some of it , for example -small, remote, detatched parcels that were ceded to the gov. But I have big problems with a lot of it and a lot of their information campaign. We do accrue tracts that are added to the National Forrest system, but do they compare to the lands they are trying to sell? I dug into this a few weeks ago and like most of this stuff there is a ponderous amount of bureaucracy(sp?).
I think I heard that in the gorge area there is something near the gladie headwaters?

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Post by Saxman » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:47 am

Is there a map of the tracts online anywhere?
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Post by Ascentionist » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:04 am

"The Bush Administration is considering selling about 45-hundred acres of the forest to make up for declining timber sales."

In other words- if we can't exploit it, maybe someone else can.

I honestly don't have a problem with timber sales, cutting timber and stuff like that, but that kind of attitude says that we see only money value in resources and that's not the whole picture.
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Post by pigsteak » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:26 am

ascentionist..I read the article to mean that coutnies are having declining tax revenues becasue so much public land is in their counties. and since logging has not been nearly as profitable as decades ago, the revenue base is shrinking, causing shortages in public services such as schools, medical, emergency services, road main, and public servants.

privatizing the land would allow for tax collection by said counties. tough decision either way. I guess we could tax gas another dollar a gallon.
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Post by captain static » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:29 pm

Thanks for posting this info. I will be meeting the Region 8 Forester from the USFS Regional office in Atlanta Thursday afternoon and this is good info to know. It would be helpful for me if someone did the research on any specific tracts located in or near the Gorge and posted that info. Also, let me know if there are any specific climber related issues or questions you would like me to bring up to the Regional Forester.
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Post by gulliver » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:40 pm

I know there are several map people on this site. Can any of you translate the tract designations from the above posted link? The Service has been promising to put up maps since the 10th of Feb. but the site says they are having a problem.
The tracts that would most likely be of 'gorge interest' would be the Mennifee Co. ones I think. They are designated like this for example C-1602, 1602a,etc.

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Post by gulliver » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:50 pm

The DBNF is pretty fractured and you can imagine it would cause problems overseeing it, but there is a whole lot less of it than that big green swath you typicaly see on a state map.
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These sell-offs are meant to replace revenue lost from a lack of timber sales. I think they had an odd way of figuring these payments in the first place. I don't know how practical it is to assume timber would have an annual and consistent contribution to a given area. I think they based it on a five year average.
Sell it and you'll get a temporary fix to an ongoing problem and you don't get it's potential back.

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Post by discojett » Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:26 pm

Selling a capitol asset to pay operating expenses is a very bad idea.
That is akin to selling your house to pay off your credit card bill.

This isnt getting much traction with Congress. FS Undersecretary Mark Rey is already trying to put lipstick on this pig...theyve been getting pummeled by all kinds of interest groups from hunters and fisherman to local governments that fear making broad changes to land planning.

Comment period last until March 30th.

http://www.fs.fed.us/land/staff/spd.html

The public can comment on the proposal until March 30. Comments can be e-mailed to an address that will be posted at www.fs.fed.us or mailed to USDA Forest Service, SRS Comments, Lands 4S, 1400 Independence Ave., SW, Mailstop 1124, Washington, DC 20250-0003.
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Post by gulliver » Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:39 pm

I was hoping you'd show up :wink:

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Post by Saxman » Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:48 pm

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Post by tomdarch » Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:49 pm

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Oh, wait - how's the cell phone reception, and how far is the nearest Starbucks?
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Post by gulliver » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:29 pm

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these were the parcels near the gorge in Mennifee Co. They're up just east of Frenchburg (arrow) above Mariba.
You can pull up any of the maps at this site
http://www.geocommunicator.gov/
choose USFS Rural Schools at the map select in the upper right. Isn't that Giant Canada Goose Pond , Cave Run?

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