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Post by krampus » Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:10 pm

so after spending three and a half hours and a 5.5 haul with a full rack and all the gear on an "obvious trail with about 100 feet of fourth class scramble at the end" (sugested 30 min hike) I can truly appreciate what our community has. Thanks Ray and all the rest.
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Post by Saxman » Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:50 pm

Most of us don't know how good we have until we hit other major areas. We are SPOILED! Thanks again Ray, Michelle and everyone who has helped with the site.
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Post by SCIN » Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:24 pm

Hey, no problem. It's fun stuff. I hope it wasn't me that got you lost, Krampus.
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Post by p0bray01 » Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:42 pm

Were u in WV? Sounds like some of my unlucky adventures :roll:
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Post by krampus » Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:35 pm

we were in red rocks with a 2005 version of the guidebook. We chose an obvious trail with a scramble at the end but wound up on the wrong side of a huge valley with a nice view of the climb we were trying to get on. :roll: It was actually a fun hike and reminded me of the off-trail hiking days but ruined our day of climbing, we only made the second pitch before it got dark.
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Post by Buster » Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:41 am

krampus wrote:so after spending three and a half hours and a 5.5 haul with a full rack and all the gear on an "obvious trail with about 100 feet of fourth class scramble at the end" (sugested 30 min hike) I can truly appreciate what our community has. Thanks Ray and all the rest.
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Not trying to be a dick or anything but are you really trying to blame your failure to climb this route on the guidebook?
Did you talk to anyone about the approach?
I don't mean to take anything away from Ray or anything but how hard is it to describe the approach to Roadside Crag or The Gallery?
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Post by krampus » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:03 am

damn, you caught me. but really, it was all slab, my feet hurt, it was cold, and I had not had my wheeties or breakfast
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Post by Buster » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:45 am

That's what I thought.
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Post by IndyRick » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:02 pm

Buster wrote: Not trying to be a dick or anything but are you really trying to blame your failure to climb this route on the guidebook?
Did you talk to anyone about the approach?
I don't mean to take anything away from Ray or anything but how hard is it to describe the approach to Roadside Crag or The Gallery?
The big red book for Red Rock stinks as far as detailing approaches. Everything looks the same in the desert and there is a lot of washed out sections. While I was out there we tried to find Panty Wall, parked at the first pullout, never found the approach trail, and ended up at Magic Bus about a mile away.

There is a new guidebook for Red Rock. It is much better. New color photos of the routes and easy to follow trail guides. It's also about half the weight.

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Post by 512OW » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:12 pm

I agree with Buster, but I've met parties on two seperate occasions who were at Emerald City, but believed they were at Roadside.

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Post by krampus » Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:54 pm

Yeah, we saw coppies of the new book and it was much better. Unfortunatly, the only locals we met were at the nice sunny sport walls so there was no one to ask at black velvet canyon. I guess they are not used to winters at the red. Now, 512OW, choosing a wrong trail out of several that all appeart to lead in the right direction is one thing, but don't ever clasify me as someone who can't figure out what 6.2 miles and a large picknick area are. :wink: I bet they also thought Ruby Slippers was pulling pockets.
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Post by 512OW » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:06 pm

The one party was trying to figure out what the bolts beneath "Roadside Attraction" was. It was their second time to "Roadside".

Classic.

I feel ya, krampus. My partner Rachel and I had a time finding Levitation 29 last winter. Took us longer to find it than to climb it.... then even longer to find our way out.
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Post by Shamis » Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:10 am

i hate the black velvet hike. You know exactly where you want to go, but it is possible to miss the trail that actually takes you there.

And the hike down sucks too.

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Post by merrick » Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:56 am

the falcon guidebook for red rocks has some serious and potentially life threatening mistakes in it. it is one thing to be vauge it is another to get a 2.5 hour descent in the backcountry completely wrong.
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