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Post by canadaclimbergirl » Fri Oct 17, 2003 3:25 pm

please.....You have to agree that soloing is FAR more risky than rapping off and cleaning anchors. Yes...people get killed everyday by doing things FAR LESS risky than soloing....EXACTLY my point.

forget dying...what about falling to your death in front of me so I get to replay that scene every time I close my eyes for the rest of my life. So I can't climb anymore because I've seen someone deck and die. SELFISH.

What about the climbing area and access?? In our area on Gov't land....a death due to soloing could shut us down. now THAT is also selfish. "hey I'm gonna go solo here, and if I fall and die....no one will EVER be able to climb here again".

I have read the riot act to many...and would do the same to you Wes if I see you solo in front of me.

I already said....if you are going to do it...shut up about it and go do it where no one can see you..but in saying that... I feel sorry for the fella who finds the body in the talus at the bottom of the cliff.
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Post by Christian » Fri Oct 17, 2003 3:30 pm

I ilke throwing acorns at people free soloing really hard stuff but only with their consent.
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Post by Artsay » Fri Oct 17, 2003 3:46 pm

I'm with you 100% CCG. I didn't vote because "Soloing is selfish and stupid" wasn't an option. I think that if someone wants to solo then that's fine but they shouldn't solo around others.
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Post by rhunt » Fri Oct 17, 2003 3:51 pm

Sandy wrote: I think its selfish to be perfectly frank, since you asked.
Yea..soloing a sport route is silly.

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Post by merrick » Fri Oct 17, 2003 4:36 pm

climbhigh and i were working on a boulder problem two days ago that he had been projecting for a few years. i was making good progress but he just wasn't feeling it. he asked if he could borrow a pad so he could try some other problems for awhile and get his head back. he went off and when he came back his eyes were wide open and he looked really different. he told me that he just had one of the most incredible climbing expereiences of his life. then he sent his three year project first go. he was a machine and the climbing was beautiful.

while he was gone he went and climbed the scoop, a classic v3, and then looked over and saw a fifty foot high trad route. he then onsight soloed it. no anticipation, no showing off, no competition, no grade chasing, just pure climbing. that is what soloing is about. we were the only people in rocktown the whole day. it was intense.

all i can say is if you are going to solo you better be doing it for the right reasons.
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Post by TexasK » Fri Oct 17, 2003 4:39 pm

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Post by climbhigh » Fri Oct 17, 2003 4:43 pm

as climbers everything we do within our sport revolves around being selfish. whether it be fighting for the right to climb, taking off a day of work to climb, buying that new piece of gear. they are all acts of selfishness and are for our own personal satisfaction and personal glory. what about hard aid, climbing in the mtns(everest, K2, leading r/x routes in eldo, or doing crazy highballs. get a grip people we are involved in a dangerous sport. to call someone selfish and stupid for soloing is pretty hypocritical in my book(i am not saying you are Artsay, i have nothing but good things to say about you, you are an amazing person and climber). we all have different monsters to feed and we are all selfish in our own ways. to each his own and enjoy the day.

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Post by toddc » Fri Oct 17, 2003 5:09 pm

People get killed far more by other kinds of climbing issues. So, please, no one ever clean anchors or rap in front of me. If you do, I swear I will leave the crag.
Of course more people die cleaning anchors and lowering from routes because the vast majority of climbers use a rope. I have nothing against fee soloing. I just think it's a personal thing and should be done without spectators.

If the majority of climbers were free soloist, rock climbing would probably be illegal in most states.

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Post by SCIN » Fri Oct 17, 2003 5:13 pm

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Post by charlie » Fri Oct 17, 2003 5:28 pm

You people need to chill. Why's everyone always pissing about the ways someone enjoy's their life? If it's not bringing a dog to the crag, it's something you heardsome 14 year old said sometime, or the way some people spend their time climbing. Maybe I spent too long in tech support but the tolerance I have for bitching is getting pretty low and too many people around here have their panties in a bunch too often.

It's Friday. Go home, have a beer, take a hong bit and relax. Go out, get a lapdance or hook up with some random dude and have a good time. Consider yourselves lucky you have more to look forward to this weekend than your fantasy football league.

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Post by Artsay » Fri Oct 17, 2003 5:33 pm

climbhigh - Thanks for making me feel all good with your kind words and all but I still think soloing is a very selfish thing to do because it automatically makes others around you responsible for your error, if one were to happen. Sure, climbing is a selfish sport, I agree with that. But if you buy too much gear or bail out on your friends to climb no one gets hurt.

If you were to have fallen accidentally with Merrick and split your head open, he would've had to deal with that horrible situation and lived with the memory. If that were to have happened and you actually made it to the hospital and lived, upon waking and seeing Merrick and realizing what had happened I guarantee you would apologize for putting him through that.

Just my opinion, of course. :)
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Post by TexasK » Fri Oct 17, 2003 6:28 pm

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Post by t bone » Fri Oct 17, 2003 7:25 pm

I dont free solo anything these days because of i have family to be around for. i have soloed many routes in my younger days. I always did it with very few people around. When i lived in colorado i had no real partner, so i would go to eldo and solo long moderate routes. It was very gratifying to be a few hundred feet of the deck with no rope. I have also soloed a number of routes in the red.

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Post by tomdarch » Fri Oct 17, 2003 8:20 pm

1) You aren't soloing if there are other people around. Pick a remote crag, get up early, whatever. It's rude to solo where other people's day of climbing would be screwed up if you blow it. (As an extension - I've had jerks solo ABOVE me while trad leading, including one weenie in Yosemite who soloed past me, got about 20' higher, then downclimbed the same dihedral that I'm in, saying, "Gosh, it's wet in the crack up there." No shit, dumbass - I bothered scope the route before roping up. If any of these wankers had fallen and hit my belayer, they had better have died or I would have finished them off in the most painful way I could construct on the spot.)

2) Think politically. If you splat in Yosemite, it's no big deal - people do it all the time and it isn't going to cause climbing to be banned there. Ask yourself - If you splat at your local crag, will it make things harder on your fellow climbers? Splatting on the Murray Property will make things harder on the RRGCC. Splatting on FS land will not help in future interactions with the FS or the State Park. Think through the implications of what you are doing!

Personally, I would rather that people solo very, very rarely - but, hey, it's your life and your call. I'm not saying "Don't Solo ever!" - Just think about the people around you when you choose when and where to solo.

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Post by Huggybone » Fri Oct 17, 2003 11:07 pm

For pedantic purposes, replace 'selfish' with 'inconsiderate'

For instance, This morning I selfishly fed myself breakfast so that I would have energy for my day. I selfishly used my turn signal so that I would not suprise another drver, and possibly endanger myself.

Those are selfish actions.

Soloing at a crowded crag, or above somebody, or climbing through without asking are rude and inconsiderate, but selfish would not be the right word.

About a year ago I spent a day soloing easy stuff. It was more fun anything I have ever done. Unfortunatly I value my life too much to do it again. I think free soloing is something I'll do when I'm 75, in order to defray nursing home costs. :shock:
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