I was wondering when it would happen...

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I was wondering when it would happen...

Post by pigsteak » Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:39 am

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Post by Josephine » Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:55 am

i wonder why they don't build some kind of platform over archeological sites. maybe it wouldn't work so well for bouldering where there may be a sit-start, but for other areas where the concern is increased traffic/erosion disturbs artifacts, a small deck at the base of the route would prevent this and still allow climbers to climb. then, when whoever wants to actually do an archeological dig, they can take up the platform and all is ready for them.
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Re: I was wondering when it would happen...

Post by der uber » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:23 am

the article wrote:Studies conducted by TPWD assert that erosion caused by human activity, including the placement and movement of crash pads, has exposed archeological resources within the soil.
Climbers appear to be assisting in the unearthing of artifacts. That's a good thing, right?

They could give a shit about climbers, and I don't necessarily blame them. I don't see them building anything to allow climbers to continue doing their thing and not harm whatever. Seems, though, a reasonable thing for tourist foot traffic. If no one can go there, what good is it?

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Post by tomdarch » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:25 am

These previously covered resources include preserved flora and fauna (emphasis added) remains as well as preserved cultural resources.
Man, that's a pretty low bar to get over in order to close access. Really? There's old plants and bones in the dirt, and when you walk on the dirt, they get exposed? I hope that the reality of what's going on there isn't as bad as this makes it sound.

About a platform, I see two big problems. First is the cost/logistics - maybe the money could be raised and the bureaucratic hurdles covered. Second is the question of whether the bureaucrats actually want a practical solution - that's the one that may be unsolvable.
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Post by 512OW » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:37 pm

My take on it, and I'm well aware that mine is the non diplomatic approach is "What the fuck?".

Flora and fauna remains??? What the fuck do you think dirt is? Who the fuck cares?

Someday my old powergel wrappers and Ashtrays cigarette butts will be archaeological remains. The whole fuckin planet should be closed to foot traffic. Who knows what we'll unearth?

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Post by Spragwa » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:49 pm

I think we've been aware of the potential in many areas. It's great the access und continues to work with Hueco State park to keep many areas open. But look around at any crag and you see erosion, discarded tape, circular pull tabs from water jugs, cellophane wrap from paper, used (gag) toilet paper, etc. No one can argue that climbers have no impact.
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Post by Wes » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:01 pm

First, welcome to last week ;) http://www.redriverclimbing.com/viewtopic.php?t=9332

Next, Climbers abused Hueco, broke all the rules, and generally made asses of themselves, to go along with the very, very heavy impact they caused. Sound familiar? Hueco is a bad ass cool place to climb, but it also has some amazing natural and cultural resources. Again, sound familiar? I, personally, like the system they have in place to limit the numbers of people, it makes the experience on the rocks much better then free for all areas like the happy's. And, as per usual, climbers assume their "rights" trump everything else, that they are entitled to climb where ever and when ever they want. The mushroom is bad ass cool, and the might find a good way to re-open it. But, there are still plenty of great problems to do at the park, and there are several other cool boulders that are also closed.
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Post by 512OW » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:07 pm

Oh, and I forgot to mention... its just a boulder. Who cares?
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Post by ynot » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:10 pm

512OW wrote:My take on it, and I'm well aware that mine is the non diplomatic approach is "What the fuck?".

Flora and fauna remains??? What the fuck do you think dirt is? Who the fuck cares?

Someday my old powergel wrappers and Ashtrays cigarette butts will be archaeological remains. The whole fuckin planet should be closed to foot traffic. Who knows what we'll unearth?

Holy shit. People are fuckin retarded.
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Post by pigsteak » Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:26 am

lol...sorry wes.....
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Post by anticlmber » Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:19 am

oh god ONE boulder, come off of it. it was a nice boulder, it has history to it, {then again so does the whole park(most of which is older than some climbing)} but really it's ONE place. just like the people that bitch about Military. it's just one SECTION of cliff; not the whole thing.

we have no right for the most part acccept it and keep climbing.
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Post by merrick » Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:53 am

the cultural value of that particular boulder, love it or not, far exceeds the valuce of flora and fauna in the dirt. those guys are total assholes for shutting it down and are really just trying to make the climbers uncomfortable in some half-baked idea that we will stop coming.
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Post by JR » Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:57 am

It can not be a coincidence that the Mushroom boulder might the finest boulder in the country and it gets closed.

Bummer.

I guess now we have to settle for the Mushroom Boulder replica they made at the Spot in Boulder, CO.

Or...

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Post by TankAzz » Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:39 pm

i know it's just one boulder, but sadly, the problem "mushroom roof" had been keeping me up at night (lame but true). i was so close last year, and we almost went there for break (virtually days before the closure took place), but allah was not game. i tore him a new b-hole when i found out it closed lol. i'll get over it, but i was pretty disappointed. it's tough when you have a project...
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Post by anticlmber » Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:15 pm

alas the left and right wannabes will never humble another person. sniff.....
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