Can you put the PD back up until we are done rebolting

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Can you put the PD back up until we are done rebolting

Post by Andrew » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:32 am

Never thought of it until this Saturday but, taking the PDs down sure has made life difficult for the people rebolting the lode aka dustin, mike wheatley, myself, Dave Linz, Sean, Matt, etc.

My dad was out there saturday to do work, and when he came back he told me, "I don't really care about the PD debate, but it sure made it hard to rebolt those routes".

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Re: Can you put the PD back up until we are done rebolting

Post by pigsteak » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:46 am

just curious why that is Andrew? what do the PDs offer that your own set of proj draws don't? convenience? if it is merely a set of steel draws you guys need, I do have a set of ten you guys can borrow for the Lode work.
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Re: Can you put the PD back up until we are done rebolting

Post by Andrew » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:00 am

Of all people... Kipp you must be going retarded if you don't understand why having the PDs there are a huge help. You are absolutely right that it is an issue of convenience, but maybe I am wrong in thinking that if we are busting ass replacing bolts instead of climbing, that it might be nice to have the draws in place so that we can rebolt super steep routes without adding another hurdle to the endeavor. Also, without having to double our work, it would be nice if we could leave our newly placed draws there for the time it takes to do the whole route.
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Re: Can you put the PD back up until we are done rebolting

Post by Clevis Hitch » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:06 am

Short answer is no-The management
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Re: Can you put the PD back up until we are done rebolting

Post by pigsteak » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:10 am

so next time down, just go by miggie's and grab a set of them form behind the counter and put them up on whatever route you are working on.
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Re: Can you put the PD back up until we are done rebolting

Post by Andrew » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:24 am

so next time down, just go by miggie's and grab a set of them form behind the counter and put them up on whatever route you are working on.
This is still increasing the work load of the selfless people trying to make the red a better, safer, and more sustainable place. We new it was a thankless job, and that people would still complain, but we didn't expect people would do things to make it much more difficult and time consuming.


I tell you what. Whoever took down the PDs from their respective route is now responsible for rebolting that route. They also need to have it done by the end of the month. -The Management
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Post by SCIN » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:28 am

Wow, what a bunch of assholes. The selfishness of these pricks shows no boundaries.
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Re: Can you put the PD back up until we are done rebolting

Post by caribe » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:31 am

Andrew wrote:I tell you what. Whoever took down the PDs from their respective route is now responsible for rebolting that route. They also need to have it done by the end of the month. -The Management
Definitely, the Crew can put their effort into accomplishing something real. Don't put this in vague terms Andrew. Name the routes and call out the Crew.

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Re: Can you put the PD back up until we are done rebolting

Post by pigsteak » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:36 am

With that I agree.....if the Crew will rebolt any of the routes at the Lode, then they get to decide what to do with those PD's. Sorry for the extra work Andrew....
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Re: Can you put the PD back up until we are done rebolting

Post by Andrew » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:41 am

pigsteak wrote:With that I agree.....if the Crew will rebolt any of the routes at the Lode, then they get to decide what to do with those PD's. Sorry for the extra work Andrew....

Don't say sorry to me, say sorry to my dad. He has put in more work than anyone and is about the nicest guy around. He drove down for friday and saturday from cincinnati, by himself, just to bolt and rebolt routes. He didn't even climb.
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Re: Can you put the PD back up until we are done rebolting

Post by dustonian » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:42 am

Don't hold your breath, Andrew... I already asked a member or two of the KREW to help with Madness Cave, seeing as they are so bad ass and everything... chirp chirp, no response.

Rebolting the remaining routes on the left side of the Undertow is indeed going to suck balls without the draws... for many of the same reasons that climbing/cleaning them without draws also sucks. They are just too steep and long, it is hard enough just keeping the pendulum going to grab the draw below you WITH it hanging, hanging the draw on that section of wall top-down is just not going to happen. The idiots-lowering-directly-through-glue-ins is a whole 'nother issue...

Kipp, your idle spray is somewhere between asinine & ignorant. You've never really bolted (or climbed?) routes as long & steep as Beavis-Tuna-Harvest-Flux etc. so your opinion is fairly worthless in this situation. Since you're not helping with the rebolt and you don't climb at the Lode, why don't you try keeping your opinions to yourself for once?

Thanks again Andrew and Mike.
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Re: Can you put the PD back up until we are done rebolting

Post by toad857 » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:46 am

dustonian wrote:Don't hold your breath, Andrew... I already asked a member or two of the KREW to help with Madness Cave, seeing as they are so bad ass and everything... chirp chirp, no response.

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Re: Can you put the PD back up until we are done rebolting

Post by pigsteak » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:51 am

Are they steeper than the Surf and the three long ones left side of Bib? are they steeper than Crash Test Dummies? if so, then no, I have not bolted anything steep? (rolling eyes) I think I have put in my share of bolts in steep rock which is waaay harder than rebolting....don't come to me looking for sympathy. drilling, hooking, hanging, cleaning, tramming..it is thankless work and I know it. (hint, carry a small collapsible pole and you can hang draws and tram in easily...geesh...gumbies.)
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Re: Can you put the PD back up until we are done rebolting

Post by pigsteak » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:53 am

and thank you Mike for doing this work...I have already said what Jeff did at FRC was way beyond the call of duty...this also goes there.
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Re: Can you put the PD back up until we are done rebolting

Post by dustonian » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:53 am

Right, forgot about the Surf and its proliferation of broken RBs stuck all over the place and left for dead in the 3 or 4 bolts of steep rock (let's be honest, the bottom is vertical). Worse than draws IMO and unnecessary too. The Biblio center is not even close to being as steep. Interestingly, those routes are still dirty piles for the most part too.
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