Which is better?

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Which is better?

Muir Valley
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23%
PMRP
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77%
 
Total votes: 103

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Re: Which is better?

Post by dustonian » Thu May 30, 2013 10:51 am

Meadows wrote:(well geez, I haven't visited any climber-owned land outside of PMRP, just government-owned, climber accessible land).
Climbing coalition-owned lands (partial list):
Laurel Knob, NC
Steele, AL
Deep Creek, TN
Jailhouse, CA
Carcass Crag, VT
Rumbling Bald boulders, NC
Lower Index Town Wall, WA
Farley Ledge, MA
Jamestown, AL
Bolton Quarry, VT
Boat Rock, GA
Hospital Boulders, AL
Holy Boulders, IL (pending)

And honestly, the hostility towards Muir Valley in general and the Webers in particular is one of the great shames of the RRG climbing community. Beyond just looking a gift horse in the mouth, many regular RRG climbers have shot the horse and continued to kick it while it is down. Truly disgraceful. Just climb there if you want, or don't, but keep your mouth shut and appreciate the generosity. The precedent set for future landowners considering sharing their land with the public is downright abysmal -- and believe me, there are many such landowners with just as much or more cliffline than Muir Valley.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by Meadows » Thu May 30, 2013 11:01 am

Thank you for the list.

So there are many comparisons to draw upon, but not Muir vs. PMRP.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by ReachHigh » Thu May 30, 2013 11:28 am

The advantage to PMRP is that you can have you dog with you, the advantage to Muir is you don't have to put up with other peoples dogs.
"there's a line between self improvement and self involvement"
"Dogs are nature's pooper scoopers ."

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Re: Which is better?

Post by caribe » Thu May 30, 2013 11:32 am

I support Muir. I support the PMRP.
We have enough to fight about like who wins in a fair fight
Tarzan or Flash Gordon?

I say Tarzan hands down, and he is a better climber.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by dustonian » Thu May 30, 2013 11:35 am

caribe wrote:I support Muir. I support the PMRP.
+1

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Re: Which is better?

Post by clif » Thu May 30, 2013 11:44 am

dustonian wrote:... the hostility towards Muir Valley in general and the Webers in particular ... many regular RRG climbers have shot the horse and continued to kick it while it is down. ...
i think this is a myth
training is for people who care, i have a job.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by Meadows » Thu May 30, 2013 2:10 pm

Chuck Norris or Tarzan ... which one would win a hot dog eating contest?

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Re: Which is better?

Post by dustonian » Thu May 30, 2013 2:14 pm

I vote for Gary Coleman.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by bcombs » Thu May 30, 2013 2:22 pm

If I'm taking my son, Muir is the obvious choice. If not, I have never had a specific preference. It's wherever the project is at the time. :)

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Re: Which is better?

Post by bob » Thu May 30, 2013 4:05 pm

There is no better, just different philosophies on land management. This shit needs to stop. There IS NO BETTER.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by dustonian » Thu May 30, 2013 4:12 pm

Bob nails it.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by potts » Thu May 30, 2013 4:52 pm

:wink:
This poll thread had nothing to do with "which is better."
It was just Ray trying to get under Weber's skin.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by bob » Thu May 30, 2013 5:01 pm

Again, moronic in nature ... STOP ... it's time to be adult and find a common ground. We gain nothing by this constant sniping and idiotic back biting. Muir is open, need we ask more, it's wonderful and a beautiful chunk of land ... the PMRP is open and, again, a wonderful chunk of land. Let it be. It's time to look to a future which keeps each open now and forever. Neither is better, neither is worse, they are BOTH open. Be respectful, learn the rules and needs of each and comply, is this so much to ask? If so perhaps you need to head back to kindergarten to learn to share and be a good person.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by potts » Thu May 30, 2013 5:15 pm

:lol:
Sorry, Doc.
But take away the "constant sniping" and "idiotic back biting" and there's not much left to this forum.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by bob » Thu May 30, 2013 5:19 pm

Then, perhaps, kindergarten???

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