Which is better?

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Which is better?

Muir Valley
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23%
PMRP
79
77%
 
Total votes: 103

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Re: Which is better?

Post by krampus » Tue May 28, 2013 2:13 pm

I voted for PMRP because I can bring my dogs and poop in the woods.

Oh wait, I voted for muir because there are no barking dogs, and I don't have to poop in the woods.
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Re: Which is better?

Post by dustonian » Tue May 28, 2013 2:54 pm

Is this a FOX News-certified public opinion poll?

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Re: Which is better?

Post by ray » Tue May 28, 2013 3:42 pm

No, I'm not a fix foot brunette with fake tits.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by RRO » Tue May 28, 2013 3:49 pm

I've always enjoyed the perkiness of your natural set, Ray......we should hug
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Re: Which is better?

Post by KD » Tue May 28, 2013 10:29 pm

We should have a Ray with natural or Ray with fake tits poll.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by potts » Wed May 29, 2013 11:08 am

ray wrote:Which is better overall for a climbing area? From rock quality to atmosphere.
Well, if by "atmosphere" you mean the stench of dog and human shit and piss, poorly kept trails, a godawful access road, insanely noisy dogs and climbers, zero restrooms, and inadequate parking, then there is no contest - the PMRP has all this and more.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by clif » Wed May 29, 2013 11:59 am

why do you hate America?
training is for people who care, i have a job.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by sarahinreallife » Wed May 29, 2013 12:34 pm

potts wrote:
ray wrote:Which is better overall for a climbing area? From rock quality to atmosphere.
Well, if by "atmosphere" you mean the stench of dog and human shit and piss, poorly kept trails, a godawful access road, insanely noisy dogs and climbers, zero restrooms, and inadequate parking, then there is no contest - the PMRP has all this and more.
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Re: Which is better?

Post by qmhill » Wed May 29, 2013 12:59 pm

I thought Muir was a gym?

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Re: Which is better?

Post by caribe » Wed May 29, 2013 9:16 pm

Thank goodness for Muir, an open university.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by Bum » Thu May 30, 2013 10:35 am

I chose Muir Valley because I like the Amusement Park parking and climbing with Boy Scouts.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by Meadows » Thu May 30, 2013 10:38 am

potts wrote:
ray wrote:Which is better overall for a climbing area? From rock quality to atmosphere.
Well, if by "atmosphere" you mean the stench of dog and human shit and piss, poorly kept trails, a godawful access road, insanely noisy dogs and climbers, zero restrooms, and inadequate parking, then there is no contest - the PMRP has all this and more.
I don't think the Lode was on this poll.

But you're right, there are zero restrooms, which I didn't realize was a requirement for going into the woods.

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Re: Which is better?

Post by dustonian » Thu May 30, 2013 10:39 am

Meadows wrote:But you're right, there are zero restrooms, which I didn't realize was a requirement for going into the woods.
It definitely should be given the extremely high volume of traffic in the PMRP. No environmental impact process in the nation would approve what is going on there. And I am so over walking out of crags with a full bag of garbage clipped to the pack.
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Re: Which is better?

Post by Meadows » Thu May 30, 2013 10:44 am

BTW, why are we comparing land privately owned by a wealthy couple vs. land owned via donations from the climbing community?

Shouldn't it be Muir vs. Torrent or Muir vs. Roadside or Muir vs. HP40; and PMRP vs. (well geez, I haven't visited any climber-owned land outside of PMRP, just government-owned, climber accessible land).

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Re: Which is better?

Post by Meadows » Thu May 30, 2013 10:49 am

dustonian wrote:
Meadows wrote:But you're right, there are zero restrooms, which I didn't realize was a requirement for going into the woods.
It definitely should be given the extremely high volume of traffic in the PMRP. No environmental impact process in the nation would approve what is going on there. And I am so over out of crags with a full bag of garbage clipped to the pack.
According to all the statistics that Weber posts, there isn't that much traffic in the PMRP. :D

Given though that there is in fact a lot of traffic in the PMRP from climbers and the OC, it would be nice to see bathrooms and that has been a discussion in the past on this forum. At the time though, the PMRP mortgage payment was all that could be afforded, and there was concern about vandalism. I'm not sure of current state of affairs or how that it could be possible after seeing the RRGCC kiosk was burned down and the PMRP immediately vandalized. The PMRP doesn't have full-time residents and access to it is from different directions and spread out.
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