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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by clif » Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:27 am

hey Sam-

great post. also, i'm working on my bunny suit if you ever want to get together and compare tails.
training is for people who care, i have a job.

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by Rotarypwr345704 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:55 pm

clif wrote:hey Sam-

great post. also, i'm working on my bunny suit if you ever want to get together and compare tails.
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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by Ascentionist » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:06 am

Rotarypwr345704 wrote:Say my name!
HEISENBERG!!!

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by woodchuck008 » Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:40 am

Steve_RRG wrote:I know money doesn't grow on trees, but you can't do any other activity for $10 per day per person. If you can't afford that, drive to the nearest national park that allows climbing and see how much that costs. Gee whiz, just pay the $10 and be darn glad to have such a wonderful place to climb so close to home.
So true. What we have created in the Red, so different from climbing in a National Park, is an affordable, yes, cheap resource for climbers to enjoy. No Golden Eagle pass needed to enter the park per year. The Red attracts thousands of climbers from many thousand miles away(half way across the world for the regular Aussies' who return here). Biggest problem is the lack of roadside or off road parking, the crowds at the favorite walls, and the occasional series of car break ins in certain areas. And you basically get to climb for free everywhere, and kick over a whole 2 bucks to camp at Miguels.
What other outdoor adventure sport could you enjoy for 10-15 bucks per day? Downhill skiing has priced itself right out of the picture for even the mid income family. Want to wait in line for routes at the Gunks for at least 17 bucks per climber per day?
What do you get for spending 20 bucks at Muir Valley? You get a good road that is kept graded and repaired so Anyone can drive Any vehicle down to a safe and secure parking lot, free of break ins. You have a big shelter from the hot sun of the summer, or the surprise rains of mid afternoon. A place to hang and relax after the climbing day, often with a cold beverage/bottled water provided at the end of the hot day for only a buck. Hundreds of great routes to climb, the scenic peaceful valley itself, the well maintained trails with clear marking signs to get you to where you wish to be, and even route markers at the cliffs. Clean bathrooms at the trailhead, and now several well built in-valley bathrooms for your convenience and for leaving a better cleaner environment in the valley. And usually at least every week is at least a 4 day weekend where the landowners are there to greet you, help you out, steer you to best locations for your group needs or skill levels.
Go ski at Deer Valley out in Utah,,,yes, there they have associates who come out to greet you and carry your skis back to the chalet....and you pay 120+ for a lift ticket per day for that service. Your 'meet and greet' people here are other climbers, the landowners, FOMV volunteers, all who have your best interest in mind.
I'm not aware of all the 'past' history between Muir and RRGCC. I do feel that Muir is the best thing that could happen for the good of the RRGCC. Can't imagine another 100 cars trying to enter the PMRP from some direction, unloading another couple hundred climbers onto the land, on roads that are not kept up as well or as easy to approach as Muir. Nobody wants to climb somewhere that is overloaded with bodies every few feet...(think Black Corridor at Red Rocks in Vegas). So you donated to the RRGCC and feel you've done your share of giving cash to climb at the Red. Think of PMRP and Muir , like 2 different ski areas in the same mountain range.. You spend money for a lift ticket at both places for the enjoyment of using each place..Not really any different for picking out where you want to climb. Don't want to spend anything???Then go ahead and stay north of the tunnel,,,,go to Military Wall,, Long Wall, etc. and find old trad and sport routes to your liking there. But don't bad mouth Muir and the efforts to try and make it a securely funded and sustainable climbing spot.
Parking, good roads, clean bathrooms, new improved trails, accurate route markings,,,,,sounds like enough reasons for me right there.

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by potts » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:48 pm

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by MoHAlixPr » Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:05 pm

damn if only there was a way to mix my passion for dinosaurs AND climbing...

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by Meadows » Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:53 pm

Potts:

The RRGCC does a fine job at keeping the roads maintained and within a reasonable budget, but they can't jump on it every weekend because the ignorant (are you one of them?) do not own 4WD or don't have a clue how to drive their low-riding two-wheel drive up a hill (yes, it can be done correctly). And where is the massive, steep hill that ALL climbers get to access in Muir? From the Road to the parking lot, I recall none. Only those with permission to the Valley floor get that privilege, unless something has changed (haven't climbed there since '09).

Since doing some LNT education, we have made a change at our crags. Did I say, 'our'? It's not perfect, but the climbing has been more than worth the effort to keep trying.

But, hey, if you want to toss an annual 80K to the RRGCC for the luxuries you need so much, don't let me stop you. Maybe you'll get lucky and they'll install an espresso bar for you too.

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by climb2core » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:07 pm

bob wrote:For shame, I have only recently logged into this mess and I am appalled. Good god … give and give until it hurts. Preserve the land and it will be there for your children and beyond. Why would anyone question the motives … it is given. Why would anyone piss on past issues, we are over that. RRGCC vs. Muir Valley, who actually believes this shit?!!! We can do it we have done it before and can do so again. It is something that we can make happen. Sorry about the hyperbole ... it has been suggested I get over myself

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by ynp1 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:45 pm

The RRG, would have been better off today if Muir Valley never happened. But we can not go back in time, so maybe it would be better if we keep it open, so all the gym climbers can go there and crater and get flown out via heli pad.

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by bcircell » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:52 pm

ynp1 wrote:The RRG, would have been better off today if Muir Valley never happened.
This is likely the dumbest thing that I have ever read on the internet. Ever.

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by c-foot » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:03 pm

You can add Disney World to locations passing your test. Oh yeah I don't go there either.

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by Rotarypwr345704 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:05 pm

ynp1 wrote:The RRG, would have been better off today if Muir Valley never happened. But we can not go back in time, so maybe it would be better if we keep it open, so all the gym climbers can go there and crater and get flown out via heli pad.

Donate to the FOMV!

Ok, I'll bite. I'd love to hear your logic on this one... Like your avatar says: You're still a dumbass
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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by Toy » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:05 pm

It's cute when trolls fight, but like masturbation, it's completely unproductive. If you don't plan to contribute anything to the dialog outside of long lining, just bow out. Both groups will get my contributions. Shouldnt be a zero sum game. Miri has it's place just as does the rest. I'm glad it's their. You can't argue it keeps the herd thinned out.

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by whoneedsfeet » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:12 pm

Toy wrote:It's cute when trolls fight, but like masturbation, it's completely unproductive.
You're doing it wrong then.
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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by Toy » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:27 pm

Could be. Some get more practice than others. I'm sure your technique is far superior.

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