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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by jordancolburn » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:06 pm

I will never understand the general rudeness bordering on hate that some people seem to have for Muir Valley. I have always enjoyed climbing there and the couple of times I had the pleasure of meeting Rick and Liz were really great days (as an EE I really appreciated Rick showing me his radio equipment)!

After seeing some great areas in the red and elsewhere closed due to issues having little to do with climbing or it's impact, I'm excited to see that they are trying to ensure access into the future. I will donate, and I hope that enough others do to reach the goal.

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by clif » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:57 pm

hi-

i am not interested in revisiting the issues but offer one small example here and now only to provide some explanation of a view you say you don't understand.

one of the Q&A's in Mrs. Webers link refers to what will happen if funding is not met. I assume there are probably contigency plans with corporate backed entities to insure this won't happen, but the answers leaves open the possibility of Muir no longer being availalbe to climbing and that the only conclusion they (the Weber's) can make is that there is not as much interest in climbing as they thought. I believe this is a misleading conclusion in that the qualification they have placed upon Muir Valley's future is also a factor. That is why I asked about the 'Operations Manual' - so that I could be informed about exactly what it is I woul be supporting.
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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by ynp1 » Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:24 pm

I agree with clif, that was the answer I thought was quit odd, even kind of passive aggressive in nature.
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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by potts » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:00 pm

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by potts » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:05 pm

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by ted » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:17 pm

blah,blah,blah. Hate it or love it, it doesnt matter. What's true is, it's a great place to climb. However the question does deserve an answer. What happens if the funding isnt there or cant be sustained?

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by Liz_Weber » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:38 pm

ted wrote:blah,blah,blah. Hate it or love it, it doesnt matter. What's true is, it's a great place to climb. However the question does deserve an answer. What happens if the funding isnt there or cant be sustained?
Good questions, Ted. Previously answered here: http://www.muirvalley.com/answers.html

Other questions may be directed to [email protected]

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by ray » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:59 pm

potts wrote:
ray wrote:The operating costs are too high to sustain. Couldn't $200K be put to use better elsewhere where the ongoing maintenance isn't so costly? Can FOMV rip out all of the costly stuff to make it like the PMRP or Miller Fork?
With nothing more than a bar chart showing 2014/2015 projections to go on, the pecuniary geniuses on this forum (many of whose personal finances are probably abysmal train wrecks) have instantly analyzed the Muir Valley strategic plan (of which they have no knowledge) and have declared it unworkable. Typical of the members of the Muir Haters Clique (MHC), who hang out here. Instead of a simple “thanks”, they insult the Webbers with the clear message that they don’t know what they’re doing.

WTF?

Just compare what those two old people have accomplished with Muir over the past ten years to what the MHC has done with its Lee County sandboxes.
Sure, those "two old people" have done a ton with their land. I'm just suggesting that much of it really isn't necessary to create a stellar climbing area. PMRP/Lode/Choco Factory are some of the most popular climbing areas in the world and they don't have the amenities that Muir does. Sometimes the road becomes unpassable but climbers work it out. They park elsewhere and hike in.

Muir, in its current state, is a lot of overkill for a few great cliffs. With such a huge amount of climbing elsewhere, especially with the recent Miller Fork purchase, it just seems like a costly affair not worth the effort.

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by potts » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:35 pm

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by weber » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:38 pm

:-)
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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by ynp1 » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:52 pm

I do not like their campaign for more money ($200,000) when there are other areas that could use the donations more, and would result in more climbing per-buck.

Potts... Just stay in your gym. That is way people like muir. It feels like the gym.
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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by Rotarypwr345704 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:47 am

ynp1 wrote:I do not like their campaign for more money ($200,000) when there are other areas that could use the donations more, and would result in more climbing per-buck.

Potts... Just stay in your gym. That is way people like muir. It feels like the gym.
So don't donate.

Or donate to keep it open so that you Elite don't have to mix with the gumbies that are typically attracted to Muir...
Funny how I'm not the only one noticing the pissing and moaning coming from those who have the responsibility to support the community. *Hint* That includes Muir and the Webers

Also, I look forward to the identity theft threats that ensue. Only a matter of time before I have all the information I need.
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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by clif » Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:26 am

potts wrote:With nothing more than a bar chart showing 2014/2015 projections to go on,...analyzed the Muir Valley strategic plan (of which they have no knowledge) and have declared it unworkable.
Funny you should say that.
potts wrote:... But, a climbing area, for the vast majority of climbers....and, I'm sure, thousands of others.
I really am very happy for all of Muir's enthusiastic supporters an hope they feel good about paying for what they value and what they've accomplished.
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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by climb2core » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:08 am

ynp1 wrote:I do not like their campaign for more money ($200,000) when there are other areas that could use the donations more, and would result in more climbing per-buck.

Potts... Just stay in your gym. That is way people like muir. It feels like the gym.

Whiny Peon, Please oh please find 350 acres with developed infrastructure and 400 climbs for $200k. We will pay more for more Miller Fork, with less potential for routes and not near the same quality of infrastructure.

Be happy that there is Muir, land of the gumbies. It fulfills a much needed purpose in the Red. I hope you pony up to keep those gumbies from hiking out to your epic and super dangerous elite crag.

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Re: News re Muir Valley

Post by clif » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:37 am

sometimes it all just seems so embarrassing
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