ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by DVV » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:48 pm

It's private land so as fare as I'm concerned they can do what ever the hell they want.There is someone that gets a hard on pissing the community off and I'm sure they will turn up. People don't be idiots. It's closed no big deal. If you don't understand Grant....u should have went to roadside Friday were the other 60 people were.....rotary talk shit to people in face not online.

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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by Syphur » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:17 pm

Whoops!
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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by Syphur » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:22 pm

GStephens wrote:
If the so-called climbing community doesn't have the moxie to deplore this act of stupidity then I can assure you Roadside will be closed for all eternity. If we are quickly notified of the identity of the person(s) who did this, then there is a chance it might be opened on a limited basis, which was a plan that was already in the works. But someone has now ruined that plan.

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Is this the GFNP website?

I understand the difficulty of implementing an access plan. I wouldn't know how to do it myself. This site was linked in the post most read and the start of it seemed to confirm the post. Most people probably didn't read far enough into it to get to the permit and waiver part. I'm not telling you how to build your website but that part probably should have been first rather than last. Your post however on access is vague at best. A little more info from you guys would help. The word "limited" keeps coming up. That does imply that permits and waivers are part of the plan. Does that mean access will be open to the average guy? Guides? Close friends? And maybe the website is as real as the open sign. We're all kinda in the dark on your plans.

Although I miss Roadside I've not spoke against you guys closing it. At this point even if it is reopened with unlimited access you will still be flamed by some. There's no changing that. And anyone who will vandalize your property will do it open/limited/closed, won't matter to them.

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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by jhaight » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:45 am

The Graining Fork website is "under construction" as they say and obviously incomplete. I will ask the person helping us with the site to block it until it is completed.

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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by Next Level » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:49 pm

I was just as excited to see that sign as the next guy. However, anyone who did their homework would have realized that although there was a sign saying "open" and there was a new website, the site stated that access was pending waiver and permits... which none of the visitors bothered to obtain. I even heard that commercial entities had brought large groups up there. Great stewardship guys! If the landowners needed a validation for their reasoning to close it (which they don't), you just provided it in spades.

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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by clif » Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:32 am

I thought this would be a good time to remember that we would be greeted as liberators in Iraq.
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Post by tradotto » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:34 am

clif wrote:I thought this would be a good time to remember that we would be greeted as liberators in Iraq.
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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by Meadows » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:53 am

John and Grant –

Sorry to hear about the situation. You may have heard about the recent vandalism we’ve experienced to the actual rock climbs, and whether that person is part of our community or not, it’s clear that overall, we detest the actions and work to resolve it.

This is the first we are hearing about your future plans of Roadside. I have personally stopped people approaching the trail with the obvious intent to climb, only to find that they had special permission from one of you to climb there. While I have no problem with you granting permission to friends, family, etc., I cannot find it worth the community time to police the crag and determine who has permission and who does not. Besides, people will lie. If you want such assistance and can guarantee it worth our effort, I urge you to come up with a system of proof for those with permission. The Webers have an excellent system for those who are granted valley floor access and it’s simply a tag on the car that the Webers send to the users each year. They also monitor the cars parked on the floor. Just as gyms tag those who’ve completed their lead climbing course, maybe you can provide something similar. Additionally, I believe the Webers as well as Bob grant certain access to those who volunteer so maybe that is another avenue you can consider.
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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by KD » Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:02 pm

OMG! They closed Iraq too?

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Post by Eric » Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:10 pm

if Roadside is closed, how is anyone going to climb Science Friction?
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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by KD » Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:22 pm

Eric wrote:if Roadside is closed, how is anyone going to climb Science Friction?
They're not goddammit! They're gonna get their asses spray painted with the word "open" on their asshole because they didn't respect the authoritiiiii!

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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by YoMomma » Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:00 pm

First things first, they (unfortunately) own the property. With that said, I think they are handling most things in a way that most don't agree with.

In my opinion the two owners are two of the most annoying, and quite frankly, ignorant people in the red. Quit making all these dam excuses to keep your property close but then say "if it weren't for _____ the area would be open". We are tired of hearing. Yes you're property contained world class climbs at many different grades. But we got news for you, there are other world freakin class crags and routes in the red. Your precious roadside isn't the center of the universe.

If you TRULY wanted this to continue to be a crag that is privately owned then you could have. One of the best privately owned crags IN THE WORLD is down the street and I'm sure Rick and Liz would have been more than willing to give you some advice on how to keep your crag open. My point? Quit solely blaming the climbing when there are clearly two parties at fault here. Yes I am bitter because I have experienced the quality of routes that roadside possessed, but I still wholeheartedly believe that this are could be open to climbing if the two moronic owners wanted it to be.


Lastly, if you haven't noticed climbers are pretty willing and nice people. Once again I will use muir valley as an example. Look at the amount of work volunteers do and contribute each year. It's amazing. There is no doubt that if you two owners asked for help that so many people would volunteer time to do any type of maintenance that tou would have asked. I know I would have set an entire weekend aside to help roadside of it meant it would stay open. But right now I don't see how that would help because you two owners have proven to me (in my opinion) that you two don't want the area open.


But one last time. These two (unfortunately) own the land and everything that they decide is well within their right. People entering there private property is still not cool and I realize this and I understand the problems that lead to issues. But at the same time there are certain steps that could and can be taken to keep roadside open (read: if torrent falls can open after people pooping in the middle of dr. Bobs property then roadside can open if property owners wanted it to be)


Rant. Over!!!

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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by dustonian » Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:06 pm

Wow, that was very insightful and will undoubtedly help the situation move forward. Thanks for taking the time to register a new username and share your 'thoughts' with everyone :roll:

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Post by YoMomma » Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:26 pm

dustonian wrote:Wow, that was very insightful and will undoubtedly help the situation move forward. Thanks for taking the time to register a new username and share your 'thoughts' with everyone :roll:

It wasn't that big of a deal. Really 8)

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