ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by ynp1 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:27 pm

Rick W is that you??? I like your new avitar's name... Very hip!
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Post by cramacam » Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:14 pm

Grant & John,
You guys are very gracious to continue the dialogue and work even consider to reopen Roadside on any basis. Regardless of the outcome I have many great memories of Roadside and have had conversations and time there that will forever leave an impression on my life. The internet is a blind place or so lots of people think it is. Grant, I think I've told you in person but regardless thank you for what you guys found and did for the community while the crag was open to the public. I would love for all the "nice and gracious climbers" out there to not be such dicks about this, but unfortunately, I know you guys have had negative interactions even face to face with patrons of the climbing area. This is not a begging or barking to reopen the crag post by any means, its your property to do as you please. I would love to one day take my kids there, show them such a beautiful area, and tell them stories about it that will make them roll their eyes. I'd love to send the routes that I one hung. (Who wouldn't?) If that never happens, the climbs will live on through our memories. Thank you for your vision. Hopefully more people in the climbing community can appreciate what you gave us before we screwed it up and give you guys the love you deserve.

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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by DuppyC » Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:49 pm

Haha...first time I've been to this site in 2yrs and nothing has changed.

When I started climbing, the push was for climber ownership of the crags, usually under the phrase of "If you own, they can't close it," but, that seems to have changed over the years to "if you own it, go ahead and close it."
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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by Cocoapuffs1000 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:48 am

Let's just remember that, as a group, our treatment of Roadside was deplorable. On private land, you are not entitled to jack shit. That's the fucking rule. You are a guest, period. Many people fundamentally do not understand this, and if closing crags is the only way to beat it into their heads then so be it.

That said, the lack of communication on the part of the land owners is a bit frustrating. They have no obligation to tell the community their intentions, but it would be the polite thing to do. It should not take an asshole ripping down signs to get a response...

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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by Meadows » Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:38 am

DuppyC wrote: When I started climbing, the push was for climber ownership of the crags, usually under the phrase of "If you own, they can't close it," but, that seems to have changed over the years to "if you own it, go ahead and close it."
Actually, the statement is, "If we own it ...." ;-) This implies a community ownership (directed by a non-profit organization), and indeed there is a push for it. Roadside is not part of that kind of ownership.

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Post by bentley » Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:36 pm

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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by clif » Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:22 pm

sorry to drag up this old thread but the 'graining fork' website was password protected and i wasn't sure if the old guiding access link had changed?

i've been trying to get in shape for an upcoming week long visit and was contemplating hiring a guide to get access to Roadside just to gauge my fitness by some old standards. is Clifton Gifford still out there and guiding at Roadside, or anyone else have the keys to the kingdom?
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Post by DrRockso » Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:22 am

I would contact Clifton directly, as far as I know they guide there still but you would have to ask him to make sure.

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Post by dustonian » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:18 am

Just a note that the Go Away sign is missing once again. It would be helpful for either the landowners or a representative of the climbers coalition or Access Fund to clarify the current access situation at Roadside before the rabid hordes and locusts descend for the spring mating season.

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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by KD » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:28 am

Do you mean...IT'S OPEN FOR CLIMBING AGAIN!! THAT IS SOOO AWESOME! :)

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Post by GWG » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:21 pm

KD,

Just when you've sold all your trad gear. Can you believe your bad luck? :cry:

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Post by RRGCC » Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:22 pm

The owners of Graining Fork Nature Preserve, the land on which Roadside Crag is located, have been notified about the removal of the sign. They said another CLOSED sign will be posted soon. The closed status of the property is clearly stated on the Graining Fork Nature Preserve website - http://grainingfork.org/.

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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by KD » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:35 pm

I only sold off excess GWC

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Post by Steve_RRG » Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:13 pm

OK, maybe I am reading the Graining Fork website wrong, but it sounds like it may be open on a limited basis for those with permits, waivers, etc. Does anyone know for sure? There is also now a page on the website where you can fill out a permit.

http://grainingfork.org/
http://grainingfork.org/reservations/

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The GFNP contains an area that for many years was simply known as “Roadside”. Because of it’s easy access and amazing routes Roadside Crag has been described as the flagship crag in the a world class climbing area. In his excellent guide books (The Red River Gorge, A Rock Climbing Guide), Ray Ellington, described Roadside as ‘Having it all.” The area has limited access to experienced climbers that have signed a liability waiver and obtained a permit.

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Re: ROADSIDE IS NOT OPEN - IT IS CLOSED

Post by clif » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:26 pm

thank you. i feel an embarrassing appreciation to all the people who helped establish the area's legacy 25-30 years ago.
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