2015 V-day Fixed Gear Fundraiser

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2015 V-day Fixed Gear Fundraiser

Post by climb2core » Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:33 pm

It's happening again! But this time it is even bigger with more prizes!


2015 Red River Gorge Valentine Bolt Fund Extravaganza: The Beta

Thank you for your interest in our 3rd annual Valentine Day Fund-raiser for the Bolt Fund Campaign!!! The proceeds of this event are used to subsidize stainless steel hardware for development of new routes in the Red River Gorge. Below you should find all the information needed, but if not please send me a message!


Why are you raising money?

https://www.facebook.com/notes/rrg-fixe ... 4698753538



When is the event occurring?

Each day during the week of 2/9/15 to 2/14/15 we will be soliciting for donations and giving away prizes.


What are the prizes?

We have an incredible list of swag for this years event! Ropes, climbing shoes, hangboards, holds, outerwear/clothing, and much more!! Like and check our facebook page for details! Please make sure to check out and support our generous sponsors! We have some amazing gear up for grabs and the grand prize will be rocking!



You can see our tentative list of give-aways at:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/rrg-fixe ... 5090568499



How do I register for the give-aways?

You may register by one of two methods:

1.) We suggest that you donate $10 (2 subsidized bolts) on any day by 8pm EST during 2/09/15 to 2/14/14 and you will be automatically entered into the daily drawing for that day. IF you donate $50 by 8pm EST (10 subsidized bolts) you will automatically be entered for our grand-prize drawing on 2/14/15 AND for each of the daily drawings that remain!!! Additionally, for every $50 you donate will give you another chance of winning to increase your odds for the give away. Donate as much as you want and increase your odds of winning!



You can donate at:

http://www.redriverclimbing.com/mankbank/MankBank.htm


2.) If you wish to register for daily give-away and prefer not to donate, then you may register by emailing your name and contact information to: [email protected]. You may register for the grand-prize by sending a 2000 word essay comparing and contrasting the oxidative properties of zinc-plated carbon steel to 304 grade stainless steel. You must register by 8pm each day for the daily give-aways.



When can I donate?

The grand-prize will be announced on Saturday, Feb 14th. You may donate or send contact info anytime before that to register.



When will the winners be picked?

Daily winners will be drawn at 9pm EST 2/9/15-2/14/15.


How will the winners be notified?

Winners will be notified by the contact email provided at time of donation or the email address used to register at [email protected]. Additionally, we will announce your name on our facebook page. (https://www.facebook.com/RrgFixedGearEthicsInitiative)


Who can participate?

Our only restriction is that you have a US address for shipping of prizes. We encourage everyone to participate!!! Please share this event with anyone that likes to climb and likes climbing gear... which is pretty much everyone!!!



Who are the event sponsors?


BlueWater Ropes
Brayackmedia
Climbtech
Drcc
DryPointe
Evolv
Getlost High Performance Outdoor Gear
Holdtopia
Petzl
Prana
Rab
Red River Rockhouse
Trango


MORE TO COME!!!

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Re: 2015 V-day Fixed Gear Fundraiser

Post by Rx2Climb » Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:09 pm

Are you trying to tell me that bolts cost money? huh......Image
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Re: 2015 V-day Fixed Gear Fundraiser

Post by clif » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:45 pm

is it possible that the glory attached to having one's name attached to the FA for a climb is just compensation for the hardware required?
training is for people who care, i have a job.

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Re: 2015 V-day Fixed Gear Fundraiser

Post by climb2core » Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:58 pm

clif wrote:is it possible that the glory attached to having one's name attached to the FA for a climb is just compensation for the hardware required?
3 Routes are up for FA. The developer will work with you to find and then bolt a route in your desired grade range.
If not decking off of shitty failing hardware is not considered compensation enough, there is also a bunch of swag.

Valentine Day Grand Prize

DRCC v512 Hangboard & T-shirt

Bluewater Rope

Holdtopia XXXXL Volume Hold and foot jibs

Holdtopia Chalk Bag / Chalk Ball and T-shirt

Evolv Climbing Shoes

FA a Route #1



If you don't win the Grand Prize, you are automatically entered to win one of 17+ Sweet-heart prizes!!!!


Sweet-heart Prizes:

Trango Crag Pack & Gunpowder chalk

Evolv Climbing Shoes

DRCC v512 Hangboard

DRCC v512 Hangboard

Rab Mens Strata Hoodie

Rab Women's Strata Hoodie

Holdtopia XXXXL Volume Hold, Chalk Bag, and T-shirt

Holdtopia Hangboard, Chalk Bag/Ball, and T-shirt

Holdtopia Red Hold Set & Foot jibs

Holdtopia White Hold Set #1 & foot jibs

Holdtopia White Hold Set #2 & foot jibs

Climbtech Crag Pack & T-shirt

Tenaya OASI climbing shoes

Defiant Whiskey

FA a Route #2

FA a Route #3

Day passes up for grabs at L'Escalade Fitness, Urban Krag, Chicago Athletic Climbing, and Vertical Adventures.

MORE SWAG on the way,

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Re: 2015 V-day Fixed Gear Fundraiser

Post by Cromper » Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:39 pm

Ooh Whiskey

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Re: 2015 V-day Fixed Gear Fundraiser

Post by clif » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:05 am

thanks for work c2c. your op mentions new routes then the link is more about maintaining old ones, all of which is good. obviously i should give some money and keep my thoughts to myself. i'm just reluctant to perpetuate a status quo that expands available routes and the hordes of new climbers and yet which doesn't bring full circle the caretakers to maintain what is established. i just think of all the work of Tackett, Blake, Terry and obviously many others put in over the years and is there a recognition of what it takes to keep it going?
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Re: 2015 V-day Fixed Gear Fundraiser

Post by climb2core » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:28 am

clif wrote:thanks for work c2c. your op mentions new routes then the link is more about maintaining old ones, all of which is good. obviously i should give some money and keep my thoughts to myself. i'm just reluctant to perpetuate a status quo that expands available routes and the hordes of new climbers and yet which doesn't bring full circle the caretakers to maintain what is established. i just think of all the work of Tackett, Blake, Terry and obviously many others put in over the years and is there a recognition of what it takes to keep it going?

A couple of thoughts..

1.) We are trying to reduce the need for rebolting by using stainless steel bolts on the first go round. About 2700 SS bolts have been distributed to developers for new routes for that purpose.

2.) We have been fortunate to partner with the American Safe Climbing Association and they are providing most of the materials for our rebolting needs at NO COST to us. That includes SS glue ins, glue, brushes, and nozzles. 2014 was probably one of the best years in the history of the gorge for rebolting. We do use some funds for glue, chain, etc to cover what the ASCA does not provide. And we greatly appreciate the vision of Terry, Blake, Tackett, et al and have continued to expand upon what they started.

Dustin has been keeping track of the rebolting efforts and could speak better to specifics.

So in short, the initiative is addressing both sustainable bolting solutions on all fronts.

Your (and everyone's) donation is needed for it to work on the scale needed for the Red. Anything helps,$5 does one bolt so about $50 to subsidize one route.

You can donate at:
http://www.redriverclimbing.com/mankbank/MankBank.htm

Also, please consider donating to the ASCA. They have done great things for fixed gear all over the US.
http://www.safeclimbing.org/help.htm

Thanks,

Ian
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Re: 2015 V-day Fixed Gear Fundraiser

Post by climb2core » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:38 am

BTW. Clif.. You must not have read the information in the link as it pretty much states everything I just repeated.

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Re: 2015 V-day Fixed Gear Fundraiser

Post by Ottice Webb » Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:38 pm

Keep on top of the classics cause you got guys who dont mind rebolting the old shit in our backyard.....

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Post by clif » Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:22 pm

hey c2c, yes, you are correct, i assume that anything with a facebook address is not meant for me. anyway, perhaps my 'question' could better be understood from this perspective:
dustonian wrote:Madness and Omaha are next. Just need to find someone with the skills, time, and motivation.
From: http://www.redriverclimbing.com/viewtop ... &start=150

also, as the link you refer to put it, more or less, 'subsidizing' developers for the reason that the good stuff is too expensive for them on there own seems to be encouraging people with an otherwise ambivalent regard to preservation.

none of this is to say that i don't think the rebolting part is not excellent and worth supporting.
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Re: 2015 V-day Fixed Gear Fundraiser

Post by climb2core » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:56 pm

clif wrote:also, as the link you refer to put it, more or less, 'subsidizing' developers for the reason that the good stuff is too expensive for them on there own seems to be encouraging people with an otherwise ambivalent regard to preservation.
95% of the new development was done with plated bolts prior to the start of the the initiative to subsidize hardware. There is no top down management policy requiring stainless steel (MV excluded) and in it absence plated bolts were the norm. You can argue higher ethical ground all day, but the reality is that bolting materials would not have changed without subsidizing them. Rather backwards IMHO that you'll support rebolting, but not the very expensive cost of doing it with better materials the first time while expecting that cost to be fully born by the developer.

You can pick up 5 piece ss power bolt that we need to use in the Red for about $10 retail. Add to that about $2.50 for a hanger puts it at $12.50 per combo. Average 10 bolts per route, so $125 per route. There are 285 online sport routes in Miller Fork now. That would have cost developers $35,625. Most of those routes have been put up by about 10 or so people.

But you are probably right Clif. They should bear that cost. :roll:

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Re: 2015 V-day Fixed Gear Fundraiser

Post by climbhigh » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:25 am

First, thanks to everyone thats donated, rebolted, developed, set up cool events like this and those that have constructive criticism. All those combined is how you continually move forward and how a community like that Red has been established and known to be one of the best in the world.

Theres a long ass line of assholes that have been taking this on their shoulders for years, not just the sexy mother fuckers y'all listed in the previous posts. Its cool to see the organization and the amount of new people bolting/rebolting/donating and to watch the positive impact that it does have on the area and the community as a whole.

Though personally, I think Cliff does bring up solid points and as the fixed gear initiative moves forward, maybe it needs to apply and state goals from within its ranks and donors as to what gets used for new and old routes. A budget per say, split it up by percents. Both sides can be argued to infinity as to which is more important. New routes disperse folk, use the land YOU own, keep people amped and is just freaking cool.....Old routes are classics, they paved the way to get here, what made the red what it is, keep people from getting killed, shows good relations with FS/land owners and the vast majority of those routes really kick ass.....Much more could be said on both topics but not needed here.

But as someone looking from the outside in of something that was and continues to hold a very special place in my heart, dont go down the path of pushing away constructive criticism. See how the two opposing view points are probably closer together than they appear and use that to continue to build a bigger and better effort.

Enjoy the whisky and WWTD ?

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Post by climb2core » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:54 am

climbhigh wrote:First, thanks to everyone thats donated, rebolted, developed, set up cool events like this and those that have constructive criticism. All those combined is how you continually move forward and how a community like that Red has been established and known to be one of the best in the world.

Theres a long ass line of assholes that have been taking this on their shoulders for years, not just the sexy mother fuckers y'all listed in the previous posts. Its cool to see the organization and the amount of new people bolting/rebolting/donating and to watch the positive impact that it does have on the area and the community as a whole.

Though personally, I think Cliff does bring up solid points and as the fixed gear initiative moves forward, maybe it needs to apply and state goals from within its ranks and donors as to what gets used for new and old routes. A budget per say, split it up by percents. Both sides can be argued to infinity as to which is more important. New routes disperse folk, use the land YOU own, keep people amped and is just freaking cool.....Old routes are classics, they paved the way to get here, what made the red what it is, keep people from getting killed, shows good relations with FS/land owners and the vast majority of those routes really kick ass.....Much more could be said on both topics but not needed here.

But as someone looking from the outside in of something that was and continues to hold a very special place in my heart, dont go down the path of pushing away constructive criticism. See how the two opposing view points are probably closer together than they appear and use that to continue to build a bigger and better effort.

Enjoy the whisky and WWTD ?

Tackett, first thanks for letting us stand on your shoulders to keep things evolving and improving. We wouldn't be here today without the vision of old crusties like you. Second, (and most important) Thanks for the Whisky!!! Someone is going to be a happy donor!

Lastly, regarding bolting vs re-bolting. The issue is for re-bolting is NOT MONEY. It is manpower. Due to our partnership with the ASCA, we for all intensive purposes have unlimited materials (more than we can get people to use). The hardware for the ASCA is ONLY for rebolting and it does not get used on new route development.

So in short, we are mostly fundraising for new route development because that is largely where we need to fund raise for at this time. Should that change, we would re-evalauate the distribution of funding. Providing developers with SS now will significantly help reduce our need for manpower in the future as the number of routes in the Red continues to rapidly expand. At some point, we may even consider some sort of model where developers are compensated for rebolting. Perhaps one free new bolt for route development for every old bolt they replace.

Thanks for your thoughts and hope that makes sense.

Cheers,

Ian
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Re: 2015 V-day Fixed Gear Fundraiser

Post by dustonian » Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:56 am

Just to reiterate what Ian said, the limiting factor with regard to maintenance is finding willing labor and experience. If anyone knows of a route that needs imminent rebolting AND has the necessary skills with bolting/rebolting, especially placing glue-ins and removing/patching old bolts, please get in touch. There is no real shortage of rebolt gear at this point, thanks to ASCA as well as all the generous supporters of community fundraisers like this one. Huge thanks also to everyone who has stepped up to do the dirty work over the years... you know who you are.

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Post by DrRockso » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:22 pm

To add to what Dustin said, I am looking for motivated partners to help me rebolt stuff. I have a list of about 10 routes I'd like to do maintenance on. I'd like to get to the more popular ones before spring to avoid route traffic. Previous bolting experience and drill not necessary, If you do have experience that would be a plus and we could really knock some stuff out quick. I make trips from the Cincinnati area weekdays and weekends.

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