Gear 4 rocks on ebay

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Postby cadmus » Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:18 pm

Patagonia and Black Diamond have done surprisingly well at keeping quality despite fame and the opportunity to sell out to the masses. But it was sad when they moved operation to China. We will see what happens.

As far as who is better to buy from China or East Europe… I can at least appreciate the progress east Europe’s government has made relative to China. And clearly the Ukranian company is a small operation, a little bit of profit for them likely goes a long way. Where as a little profit in a factory in china likely doesn’t do a thing. The gear4rocks staff is a hand full of climbers trying to do what they love in a rough part of the world. I would like to think the Ukrainian guys are a more “localâ€
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Postby michaelarmand » Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:53 pm

pigsteak wrote:what's wrong with China? over the Czech republic, for instance?


There is nothing "wrong" with China. The problem I have is supporting an American company that ships this work overseas, while raising prices. Why would I buy the most expensive cam on the market, yet it is made in a low cost country? It makes no sense - if BD passed the cost savings onto us the consumer maybe I would consider it.

On another note - us American consumers could be very powerful if we voted with our money. Nobody likes to see all this outsourcing, so why support companies that do it (or at least cross some line, I was ok with BD making clothing in China)? We don't have to buy BD, all the Euro and other companies don't outsource.

To your original question - buying goods from Europe for example is economically equivalent to buying an American made product. Sounds crazy? Its not, we currently have balanced trade with Europe and most of the world except the "low cost" nations. When you have balanced trade the dollars you send overseas for their product are used by them to buy an American product. It works, everyone benefits. The problem with China and the other poorer nations is that they can't afford to buy our goods, so they hold the dollars we send them.
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Postby Clevis Hitch » Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:20 am

yup. They gotta buy those bonds with something :mrgreen:
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Re: Gear 4 rocks on ebay

Postby andrewbommer » Fri May 25, 2012 8:23 am

I bought a zipline trolley from gear4rocks because it was cheap. My 6 and 8 year old daughters used it for a couple weeks and then one of the bearings went bad. I asked if they would like a video and they said yes. I sent them a video of me rotating the bearing with it wobbling all over the place. They said they would replace it if I would ship it back to the Ukrain. My advice - pay a little more for a trusted name from a vendor in the States.
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Postby toad857 » Fri May 25, 2012 9:38 am

michaelarmand wrote:There is nothing "wrong" with China.


Nothing. At. All.

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Postby bcombs » Fri May 25, 2012 10:12 am

toad857 wrote:
michaelarmand wrote:There is nothing "wrong" with China.


Nothing. At. All.

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Toad, that isn't Foxconn or Compal, do you know where that is? The pink suits make me think of the chicken houses in all the Michael Pollan documentaries. :)
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Re: Gear 4 rocks on ebay

Postby bcombs » Fri May 25, 2012 10:22 am

It really isn't funny, but it is what I thought of:

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Re: Gear 4 rocks on ebay

Postby LK Day » Sat May 26, 2012 8:43 pm

I've done some trad climbing in the RRG and never carried more than 3 or 4 cams. Save up your money and buy stuff you trust without reservation.
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Re: Gear 4 rocks on ebay

Postby LK Day » Sat May 26, 2012 8:59 pm

On the other hand, the pride and joy of my winter rack was a bunch of home made Russian titanium ice screws, every one a prototype, no two alike. Wonder what kind of testing they did on those? But man, they were light, and of course I had no intention of falling, mainly because I didn't care to see what a compound fracture looked like up real close
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Re: Gear 4 rocks on ebay

Postby michaelarmand » Sat May 26, 2012 9:58 pm

Ha! Yeah I agree there is plenty wrong with China. I was referring to the outsourcing in general (I wouldn't be happy if BD made their cams in India or Vietnam for example).

But imagine what kind of chaos is going to break out in China with those "jobs" are replaced by machines....
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Re: Gear 4 rocks on ebay

Postby megmay » Tue May 29, 2012 9:37 am

In unitary Ukraine, cams break you ... not your budget.
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Re: Gear 4 rocks on ebay

Postby micksouthere » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:59 pm

Hey guys I cannot emphasize how much you need to stay away from these.
Cheap and cheerful yes, dangerous yes.
I ordered two pulleys, just for guides, not load bearing, that actually got used on a set up rig, inside a large old warehouse, they were there for a week. Film stuff.
In that week we ordered another four...mistake...at the end of our shoot we were noticing there was significant drag on the lines...the load bearing were CMI four inch sheaves stainless.
When we dropped the whole rig it was the guide pulleys (gear4rocks) that had started to seize due to rust. Not good. The CMI stuff rolled like a swiss watch, nothing, no dramas
Well I'll forgive one but not two...both had rusted and started to seize...so they are junked...but we had four more on the way....not.
Gear4rocks has taken the dollars but no junky pulleys or return of dollars despite numerous emails, promises of gear, apologies for delay, then promises of a money order. Then sweet FA.
Dodgy...dishonest...disgraceful...and disheartening...all things considered the gear you buy is the gear you rely upon to stop you from ending up another statistic. I have to put other people on my gear and although the guide pulleys weren't life threatening ( I cannot afford to run key equipment that may fail) not only is the gear junk but the company's professional (oxy moron?) attitude to business sucks as well.
Beware.
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