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Placing a cam? Slotting a nut? Slinging a tree?
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Post by JB » Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:12 pm

old crow?
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Post by Sloopy » Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:51 am

Yep! I know its gay, but I couldn't resist.
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Post by TradMike » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:31 am

When in doubt throw it out. A kinked wire rope must be replaced in the crane business. Possible fatigue failure in the future. Plus it may not load the cams properly causing the piece to fail in suspect placements. Would it hold another fall - probably.

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Post by der uber » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:41 am

You only have a couple measly bitmaps? No video of the fall? Be prepared next time.

Also, I would not recommend writing on the cams with a pencil.. Try using colored tape, or cutting a small notch in the cable.

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Post by Cliff Heindel » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:53 am

why not write the manufacturer if you're into informed opinions? this is a web forum for chrissakes. other than that, on every well used rack i've ever seen (a few dozen) most of the cams have warpped cables...ie 'flexible friends'...
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Post by rjackson » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:08 am

It's all about the wire rope. Like TradMike said, a compromised wire rope should be replaced in the crane business and any other application. I've had to replace the cable on my truck's winch for the same reason. Seen a lot of pictures and videos where compromised wire cable has snapped under load, not cool.

Looks like the strands have separated and some permanent distortion has occured. A little on-line research will net some good information on wire rope safety.

I'd probably pick whichever guy is closest to sending your project and give it to them. I don't agree with KD though, I think the pencil is OK to continue in service.
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Post by kdelap » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:14 am

This cam shows another great reason to go with C3's!
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Post by PatrickB » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:19 am

I advise that you do not continue to use it. It definitely has been damaged. There's no way to know how strong it is now. It's not worth the risk. Destroy it so you don't forget in the future and begin using it again and so that no one else can get hold of it and use it.
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Post by Crankmas » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:08 am

plug it and go if it fails and you hit a ledge and die its not like its gonna bother you just think of it in a question form- is the nature of reality synonymous with the reality of nature?

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Post by Gaar » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:34 am

Karsten...if I could afford the C3 I would get them....but the problem is that even on prodeals they are still 40 bucks each!

KD.... I'll take your advice and sling the pencil and see what happens

Russ...While I was in the keys working on some boats, my davit cable snaped dropping a 29ft dusky fishing boat over 10 feet into the water and sinking it.....so i'm well aware of what a kinked cable can do....thus for the concern.

Cliff...I probably will write or send the cam to metolious anyway, but I was just wondering what some people who have been doing trad longer then me would do in this situation.
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Post by ynot » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:45 am

The same cam kinked up on me when I had it placed nearly upside down and wieghted it but it wasn't such a sharp bend. More like really wonked out of shape. It wonked back and I been using it for years. It's amazing cams that small even hold a big fall. The little purple one has taken a lot of abuse too and it also blew out on me once. I am reserving judgement on yours cause who knows?
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Post by dyno_heaven » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:44 pm

fall on it the other ay so it balances things out

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Post by kneebar » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:56 pm

Horatio Felacio wrote:your opinion isn't worth much, so stay the hell out of this dicklicker. it's not like you make your own cams or anything. ass.
Do you even still climb? I heard you just like sticking as many balls in your mouth as you can........then let the juices run out! I've got witnesses.

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Post by Sloopy » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:40 pm

Awww-- I'm not feelin' the love here, Gaar! What makes KD, Russ, and Cliff so special? I know Karsten was just special to begin with.

But seriously, if you are "well aware of what a kinked cable can do", then why are you asking us? You're the one with the prodeal, note the PRO in that word.

And I think I might make the next poll "who here thinks they have more trad experience than Gaar?" Karsten put your hand down, damn it--
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Post by Snowpuppy » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:43 pm

If in doubt don't climb on it.
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