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competition in climbing?

Post by One-Fall » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:12 pm

"None of this would matter if it weren't for the fact that, for many, climbing is most definitely a competitive sport. "
- L K Day (probably taken out of context)

LKD is one of THE definitive forces that shaped the Red. Whenever he says something, I pay extra attention. He didn't say which catagory he falls into (competitive or not), but I'm curious how many out there would define your climbing at the Red as competitive? If we met at the crag, would you feel the need to pull harder than me?

In years past, I never really felt this, but in the last 2-3 years, with the huge influx of people, I see the competitive thing happen all the time.

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Post by pigsteak » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:15 pm

is competition just person vs. person? or can you compete against yourself?
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Post by Der Revir » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:34 pm

it's weird i have been getting that vibe for the last five years honestly i dont even like walkin into miguels it just seems like a choad fest except for the norms that are always there you know who you are they are cool but the other people who come in from other places seems like they look at you and size you up. last time i checked my dome peace i climbed for inner peace or some bull crap like that. lets not revel here on unimportant thoughts jedi
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Post by overhung » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:45 pm

Der Revir wrote:it's weird i have been getting that vibe for the last five years honestly i dont even like walkin into miguels it just seems like a choad fest except for the norms that are always there you know who you are they are cool but the other people who come in from other places seems like they look at you and size you up. last time i checked my dome peace i climbed for inner peace or some bull crap like that. lets not revel here on unimportant thoughts jedi
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Post by One-Fall » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:49 pm

piggie,

Im not talking about pushing your personal limits. Scenerio: You don't know me and we meet up at crag X. Do you feel the need to tell me that the climb you are on is just a warm up and you are about to project route X? If you fall on it, do you need to tell me its your fourth day on and you have the flu?

Is there competitiion between you and me even if we have never met?
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Post by mike_anderson » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:55 pm

Dude, you should check out Colorado if you think people are competitive here. Where do you think the word "raditude" came from?

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Post by pigsteak » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:12 pm

gotcha one fall...sometimes, however, I think people are uncomfortable with this competition/spray/attitude/whatever because they feel threatened by these folks. I know that is me at times. If I have trained real hard and some young wanker warms up on my proj, I am embarassed. If I am out of shape and making a fool of myself at the cliff, it is double embarasssing because I have the need to let explain my pathetic self. Probably more insecurity on my part than anything to do with the "competitive" dude.

I only say all this because I heard it said once or twice that the people/actions we despise and /or hate is usually because we carry those same traits inside ourselves.
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Post by jdstic2 » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:40 am

im only competative when the person is climbing weaker than me, when they're stronger i run and hide until they leave

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Post by Shamis » Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:02 am

People who cannot climb hard are clearly out of favor with Jesus and should be avoided.

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Post by Jeff » Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:18 am

mike_anderson wrote:Dude, you should check out Colorado if you think people are competitive here. Where do you think the word "raditude" came from?
That's funny because I think what sparked this discussion was an incident involving people from CO.

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Post by camhead » Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:31 am

Jeff wrote:
mike_anderson wrote:Dude, you should check out Colorado if you think people are competitive here. Where do you think the word "raditude" came from?
That's funny because I think what sparked this discussion was an incident involving people from CO.
Yeah, I've noticed that amongst the locals here, there is definitely less spray than about any other area I've climbed. Clueless college kids and visiting ColoRadguys are another story.
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Post by Power2U » Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:35 am

There is always someone who can climb harder than you, and there is always someone that you can out climb... Nuf said.

Now talking to your buddies about how bad you suck cause you're falling off your warm up on a particular day is just having fun. As is talking about your project that you're psyched on!

There is one exception... Walking up and flashing a project some Buckeye is working on and commenting on how that felt a little harder than you would have liked for a warm up is completely acceptable :D
Lest we all forget... climbing is a mostly meaningless pursuit that we do for fun.

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Post by ahab » Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:48 am

Jeff wrote:
mike_anderson wrote:Dude, you should check out Colorado if you think people are competitive here. Where do you think the word "raditude" came from?
That's funny because I think what sparked this discussion was an incident involving people from CO.
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Post by Jeff » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:19 am

camhead wrote:Yeah, I've noticed that amongst the locals here, there is definitely less spray than about any other area I've climbed.
One of the many things I love about the red. As it becomes more of a destination every year, it would be great to have that distinction remain intact!
While it's always cool to see some of the top climbers enjoying what's to offer around here, only a few more weeks and things will get back to "normal".

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Post by krampus » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:42 am

I agree with piggy that a lot of the excuse making is due to insecurity, I do it all the time and don't really mean to. I don't consider myself competitive though. But that is different that being sized up by every tool you run into at the campground. Maybe I have been good at avoiding the crowds because most of the people I have been climbing next to during this busy season have bee pretty cool, its when I walk around the campsite that I see people needing to justify their existence.
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