Does plumb make the line?

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Re: Does plumb make the line?

Post by der uber » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:58 pm

Spikeddem wrote:You gotta be crazy! You've never heard anyone say this? I mean, replace "plumb" with "really direct" and I think I hear it fairly regularly. IMO, it often affects the aesthetics of a route as a result of probability. We often enjoy low-probability things because they have a sense of being special, and this is definitely the case on direct lines with few other routes to either side.
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I rarely hear reference to a lines directness. Maybe more so in trad?

Movement and rock quality are huge factors whereas a line's directness is of little importance.

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Re: Does plumb make the line?

Post by climb2core » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:08 pm

Dogleg Left and Dogleg Right, errr I mean Demon Seed are great routes as well.

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Re: Does plumb make the line?

Post by dustonian » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:09 pm

Dogleg Left is Semen Deed. One of the best!

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Re: Does plumb make the line?

Post by climb2core » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:16 pm

I have a hard time with that left and right thing... got em back asswards!

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Re: Does plumb make the line?

Post by dustonian » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:20 pm

New pic from Tommy Caldwell's crappy Dawn Wall project... 5 years wasted on all that 5.14 traversing!!
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Re: Does plumb make the line?

Post by RRO » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:21 pm

Watching you all try to "stir the pot" or talk shit is like hearing a second grader learn how to cuss...the intent is there but really, it stirs nothing in my man spot....carry on
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Re: Does plumb make the line?

Post by shear » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:26 pm

In highly featured places like the red...it's hard for a route NOT to be plumb and direct. But go anywhere else where the features are far less (such as the NRG or places in TN) and you have to follow the features...the bolts can be straightened out, always, but the climbing follows the weakness. Anything else is an eliminate and forced.

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Re: Does plumb make the line?

Post by pigsteak » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:28 pm

RRO wrote:Watching you all try to "stir the pot" or talk shit is like hearing a second grader learn how to cuss...the intent is there but really, it stirs nothing in my man spot....carry on
"man spot"...thats just what a second grader would call it.
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Re: Does plumb make the line?

Post by pigsteak » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:38 pm

And in 20 plus years i have never even heard "plumb line" used in climbing, except to mean the obvious line when you walk up to a wall. Direction and angle have never played into a line i bolted, not that that is saying much.

And i totally disagree with the assumption that all the features make the rock blend. It is very easy to see lines of weakness before bolting if you know what you are looking at.
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Re: Does plumb make the line?

Post by dustonian » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:42 pm

Yeah I am still thinking that guy was confusing "plumb line" (as in a straight vertical drop as water would fall) with "plum line" (as in picking the "plums," or best route or two at a crag)....

In other news, Southern Smoke Direct was flashed today. Good job Ian Kirk!

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Re: Does plumb make the line?

Post by pigsteak » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:29 pm

Exactly... plumb line straight down.
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Re: Does plumb make the line?

Post by pigsteak » Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:09 am

and another thing I am unclear on..when brahs talk about climbing in a "sector'..what is that? Like is the motherlode a sector, or is the undertow the sector...or maybe the pmrp is the sector....

of course, I laughed so hard when kiddos started saying 'compression moves"
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Re: Does plumb make the line?

Post by dustonian » Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:51 am

& don't forget this ol' chestnut: "resistance climbing"...

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Re: Does plumb make the line?

Post by tbwilsonky » Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:26 am

well compression actually describes a novel type of movement (crimpy, unclings, pinchy, dynamic, etc.), whereas 'resistance' climbing is obviously redundant; especially when it is set against its arch-nemesis 'difficulty' climbing.
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Re: Does plumb make the line?

Post by JR » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:09 am

dustonian wrote:Dogleg Left is Semen Deed. One of the best!
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Busted!!!

Sorry, Dustonian "Semen Deed" was coined by me.

I will consider it an homage.

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