OK?

Gaston? High Step? Drop Knee? Talk in here.

Is it alright if Kevin Wilkinson manufactures routes at the Red?

NO
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78%
YES
12
22%
 
Total votes: 54

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OK?

Post by JR » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:52 pm

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Re: OK?

Post by Cromper » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:19 pm

Straight to the face! I like it.

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Re: OK?

Post by climb2core » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:20 pm

Thug life or new one(s)?

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Re: OK?

Post by tbwilsonky » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:31 am

plumb Bob never lies. if it's straight, there's no debate.
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Re: OK?

Post by pigsteak » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:40 am

alright so if we are calling out, let's hear it if it is legit.
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Re: OK?

Post by climb2core » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:44 am

Instead of Internet gossip forums, I would start with asking Kevin what he thinks.

If it is true I think the only reasonable thing to do is start the RRG Chipping Ethics Initiative.

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Re: OK?

Post by pigsteak » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:31 am

thats what I mean when I say "let's hear it' IF it is legit...go to the source, confirm, then take necessary action.
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Re: OK?

Post by climb2core » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:37 am

I know, I was just translating for you. I speak Pig-latin.

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Re: OK?

Post by DriskellHR » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:46 am

With the MASS amounts of stone in the RRG. A person would have to be straight friggin retarded to manufacture a route..... Is this really a serious question? I don't know the fella but seems like this is a no brainer.
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And where exactly is this manufactured route or is it a hypothetical? There are places in the RRG where manufacturing routes is strictly prohibited
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Re: OK?

Post by JR » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:05 am

I was chatting with some of my friends last night and the topic came up. And I was clearly outnumbered on the issue of manufacturing routes. Frankly, it surprised me. I wrongly thought chipping was in the past. Not that it was only done in the past. That it was only done openly in the past because it was a no-no.

The poll is already showing that it is not that big of a deal. Moving on......

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Re: OK?

Post by clif » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:13 am

esthetically/stylistically it's garbage. ethically gray. emotionally depraved and psychologically imbalanced.
training is for people who care, i have a job.

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Re: OK?

Post by krampus » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:17 am

its not a gym .
How you compare may not be as important as to whom you are compared

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Re: OK?

Post by Andrew » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:17 pm

I am not supporting nor condemning the ethics of the rumors here, but we should be honest about the complexities of developing sport routes. Everyone should re-read Bill Ramsey's article on the topic. What are the differences between and ethics of cleaning, comfortizing, chipping, removing, reinforcing, and drilling holds. Not to mention each of those things has a level of severity.
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Re: OK?

Post by JR » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:39 pm

Go for it Andrew. Be "honest".

What's the fucking difference. We (online anonymous climbers) can't even agree that Kevin Wilkinson should not continue "making" routes.

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Re: OK?

Post by climb2core » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:52 pm

JR wrote:Go for it Andrew. Be "honest".

What's the fucking difference. We (online anonymous climbers) can't even agree that Kevin Wilkinson should not continue "making" routes.
JR, step up and share specifics. And seeing as you are bringing up this, have you talked to Kevin about it personally yet? Seems like the place to start.

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