Loose bolt on The Rising at Muir Valley

[Sunshine]

Climb trad, or give thanks that someone donated the money and time to set up the route in the first place. A simple email to any of the route setters to notify them is sufficient. Insulting the route setters by claiming that people are going to get hurt on their routes gets nothing done besides spreading panic.

I for one am grateful for all the hard work, time, and finances donated to those that are developing Muir Valley.

Explain to me how an immediate public notification of a very clear and present danger is insulting. This is a public notification by Terry Kindred "route setter" and fixer of routes: If anyone anywhere at anytime finds a loose bolt on a Team Suck route feel free to tighten it if you are in possession of this basic skill, if not, find someone who is. If all that fails make a public statement. I, nor any of my fellow "route setters" will be insulted.

Terry Kindred

[bentley]

You know getting things accomplished at the Red is so frustrating because of comments like that! It is a pissing match up there! Go climb trad, what a lame comment and far from a solution! I am simply making an observation that there are hundreds of routes at the Red where this has not been a problem. Now low and behold the Weber’s have been beyond accommodating to allow us to climb on their amazing piece of property and unsafe situations are popping up all over the place.

I was not insulting anyone, thought that was pretty clear. Perhaps their needs to be a little panic spread around up there. I see blind faith in old crap gear every weekend at the Red, someone is going to get hurt and I am doing my part to make sure that does not happen.

As a matter a fact go take a look in Red River Outdoors bathroom, there is an old shut from Convicted on the wall. I watched a girl lower off of that shut right before I removed it.

I will post some pictures of more such time bombs later.

I am sure there will now be even more useless slander on this topic but do everyone a favor and do something productive like tighen a bolt or spread the word about the PMRP and how we stand to loose that amazing area if we don't have the cash.

[Sunshine]

Very well said Mr. Bentley! Do you think that some of us less than PC people need to attend a clinic on how to make people feel all warm and fuzzy concerning these safety issues? Gee Mr./Ms./Mrs. route setter, I am not sure of your sexual orientation, but there are some very loose bolts, not that there is anything wrong with loose bolts, on most of your routes. Would it be gay of me to ask you to fix them?
Hey, I like the sound of the new me. Bentley, won't you join me!

[weber]

This is Liz on Rick’s ID.

Thank you Wilkes86. Rick and I appreciate all responsible input and notification of any potential problems at Muir Valley. This helps us minimize risks of outdoor climbing (an inherently risky sport, as compared to gym climbing) at Muir Valley.

Rick is unavailable for the next few hours. When he returns and sees the above postings, he will respond appropriately.

In the meantime, our paramount concern remains minimizing risks to our guests at Muir. Until the situation can be properly assessed and addressed, climbing is officially temporarily suspended at Muir Valley.

I’d like to assure our enthusiastic guests and loyal supporters that Rick will address this issue as quickly as he can, so that the duration of the suspension will be as brief as possible.

Liz Weber
Muir Valley Owner

[bentley]

case and point

[bentley]

That was in response to Sunshines comment, not Liz's

[Sunshine]

Peate and repeate!

[pigsteak]

same with me. I have bolted in sore heel and at muir. you see my name on a route and find an unsafe situation, PM me directly and I will fix the situation ASAP.

thanks,

kipp trummel

[Sunshine]

Or call, PM, e-mail,or ask someone to tell me, and I will PM, call, or e-mail, or ask someone to get in touch with kipp. I just wish there were more bolt tightening than PMing!

[rockman]

Climb trad, or give thanks that someone donated the money and time to set up the route in the first place. A simple email to any of the route setters to notify them is sufficient. Insulting the route setters by claiming that people are going to get hurt on their routes gets nothing done besides spreading panic..

I can't disagree more.

Finding an unsafe situation and not properly fixing it AND/OR reporting it to the proper people would be of very poor ethics.

Also, if you cant use a common box wrench, you probably shouldnt climb trad.

GI Joe said it best. "Knowing is HALF the battle!"

[rockman]

FYI, more GI JOE Public Service Announcements

Cutter- Have a ump ref your baseball games
Well, fighting won't stop it. When people disagree sometimes they need someone who's not involved to settle things.

Flint- Don't get mad at your goalie for letting in a bad goal
Will yelling at Billy help?... Look, if you want to play your best you got to play like a team. Remember, you need teamwork to win, not arguments.

Flint- Don't blame your brother
Anyone can help an accident, but lying makes it worse... Face up to what you've done. Don't take the easy way out. Remember, it's better to tell the truth.

Quick Kick- Don't be in a hurry to build your tree house
Remember, anything worth doing is worth planning.

Recondo- Don't hid in the frig
Remember, never get in anything that could close up and trap you.

Shipwreck- Stealing is wrong
Remember, taking something that isn't yours just isn't right.

[Toad]

Insulting the route setters by claiming that people are going to get hurt on their routes gets nothing done besides spreading panic.

How does GI Joe spread panic? With a butter knife?

[Meadows]

Quick Kick- Don't be in a hurry to build your tree house
Remember, anything worth doing is worth planning.

Except for doing the do.

[Guest]

measure once, cut twice!

[Paul3eb]

might want to read the last few posts again a little more carefully..