REPORT PROBLEMS with 3RD edition of guidebook

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REPORT PROBLEMS with 3RD edition of guidebook

Post by ASK » Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:53 pm

Just bought the 3rd edition (printed)... Looks great, BUT:

there are certain problems with it... such as, for example, the numbering of the routes in "Funk Rock City" chapter is all screwed up (shifted by -1 starting with #14) (e.g. Eye of the Needle is numbered #15 blue/sport (which it is) in the picture and map, but is #14 red/trad in the text, etc) This is somewhat confusing, and I imagine can be VERY confusing to those looking for new routes to climb and using the book as a guide (such as most of us)... And this problem is kinda frustrating to find in this otherwise great guidebook :(
In the "FRC" chapter, the problem was caused by elimination of one route (#14 in the 2nd edition), but not changing the numbering correspondingly in pictures and maps.

I haven't read the book in any more detail just yet, and haven't seen any other problems... yet... But I have a feeling that there might be more.

I suggest we report the typos and mistakes in the 3rd printed edition here as we find them... Perhaps it'll be helpful for the time being... Perhaps the publisher will consider re-printing and re-placing the printed version with a corrected one ??

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Re: REPORT PROBLEMS with 3RD edition of guidebook

Post by ray » Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:32 pm

Thanks for posting that. In this edition we pulled away from the numbering system I inherited from John Bronaugh's guides and tried to switch to either left-to-right or right-to-left numbering for all of the crags. It required a lot of changes to route descriptions, images, topos, etc. We thought all of the issues were caught but I guess not.

Reprinting the book is a pretty big deal so it probably won't happen. We are updating the changes for the app though which I guess is a good advantage for the app version. Sorry it caused confusion and I hope it didn't screw your day at Funk Rock up.

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Re: REPORT PROBLEMS with 3RD edition of guidebook

Post by ASK » Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:18 pm

Ray, thanks.
Please, don't get me wrong -- the book is GREAT. In fact, I wish all guidebooks were THAT good.

That said, I think we should correct any problems and make them known, so there is no confusion. I don't know how is best fo fix things like that... E.g. in scientific journals they publish follow-up notes with corrections... Anything like that would work in this case?

No, I personally didn't have problems with FRC (thanks for asking)... I know it well enough to instantly recognize the typo in the book. I was more concerned for folks coming there for the 1st time...

Again, great job on the new book. Thanks!! A lot of people, myself included, were waiting for this to happen for quite a while ;-)
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Re: REPORT PROBLEMS with 3RD edition of guidebook

Post by ASK » Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:45 am

Natural Bridge, The Zoo: page 191, #15, Aviary (5.12b, sport): the book says "20 ft, 12 bolts... Use a 70-m rope..." This, of course, should be 200 ft (not 20 ft). So obvious that it's not even a problem :lol: (somebody else found this typo, but I'm posting)
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Re: REPORT PROBLEMS with 3RD edition of guidebook

Post by der uber » Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:40 am

I don't have it in front of me, but I recall seeing a picture of a climber on Nagypapa and it was called The Legend in the caption.

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Re: REPORT PROBLEMS with 3RD edition of guidebook

Post by jimmy » Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:00 pm

The topo to The Dark Side is a little off. It looks like it was off in the 2nd edition too, so hopefully we can get it corrected in time for the highly anticipated 4th edition. What is shown in the topo as #8 (Shanghai) & #9 (Big Burley), are actually #9 (Shanghai) & #10 (American Dream).

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Re: REPORT PROBLEMS with 3RD edition of guidebook

Post by ray » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:24 pm

Thanks for this stuff guys. We're fixing in the iPhone app as it's reported.

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Re: REPORT PROBLEMS with 3RD edition of guidebook

Post by symardila » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:59 pm

In page 156 . Funk Rock City, the route numbered as 31st appears as a sport (blue) climb in the description, while in the picture appears as a Trad (red). The same happens with #25 and #26 i9n the same page.

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Post by nfox512 » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:12 pm

The picture for DaVinci's Left Ear and Smack Dab at The Gallery is drawn wrong. There should be two climbs left of the big Hueco, and it labels the one it has drawn as DaVinci's Left Ear instead of Smack Dab.

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Re: REPORT PROBLEMS with 3RD edition of guidebook

Post by Andrews » Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:03 pm

ASK wrote:Natural Bridge, The Zoo: page 191, #15, Aviary (5.12b, sport): the book says "20 ft, 12 bolts... Use a 70-m rope..." This, of course, should be 200 ft (not 20 ft). So obvious that it's not even a problem :lol: (somebody else found this typo, but I'm posting)
I think the typo was more likely for 120 feet...

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Re: REPORT PROBLEMS with 3RD edition of guidebook

Post by 727foxtree » Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:26 pm

Hey everyone,

I was recently at Funk Rock for my first time a few weeks back with some friends who'd also never been there. We had climbed several times at ESB and thought this crag looked sweet so we decided to finally find it.

We ended up hiking all over the place for this crag trying in vain to understand what the directions were trying to explain. We found the pulloff and then decided to "walk the road" which took us about .6 miles up a really steep hill cresting way up top - which made no sense since the directions mentioned crossing a stream. We kept figuring at somepoint there'd be a trail that led downwards to the water and it would be obvious. Sometimes with these directions you have to keep going, trust the directions, and the next landmark will come up.

The description is below:
About .5 miles past the sharp bend you will see a large pulloff on your left. Drive past this pulloff until you see an even larger pulloff on the left with a closed off dirt road. Park here and walk the road 0.6 miles to a crossing over Swift Camp Creek. The crossing may nor may not have some stepping stones. Wade the creek and walk upstream along an old road for 200 feet to locate an approach trail on your left which winds uphill to the wall. An alternate approach from the Rest Area in slade is to jump back on Mountain Parkway and head east to the next exit (Exit 40). Turn right off the exit on KY 15 and drive 0.7 miles through the town of Pineville. Turn right onto 715 and drive 5.5 miles along the road. Be sure to stay on the road when it takes a hairpin turn to the right or you will end up at the Sky Bridge Ridge parking area for the tourist trail. After the sharp turn to the right and then left, the road will head sharply downhill. Look for a large pulloff on your right before the road levels out.
Rather than state "follow the road" which to a 1st time visitor is incredibly unclear - why wouldn't you walk up the road you just pulled off of?--it should just say - take the trail which begins to lead down to a stream which starts on the (south?) end of the parking area. There are spots where it seems like you could veer left and cross the river. Don't. Stay on this trail for about half a mile or so as it winds up some small hills and back down to water. You will walk this trail all the way until it ends which is the river/stream. At this point, pick some stones to walk on and make your way across the creek to the trail which resumes right across the from the ending of the trail you came in on. Once you pick the trail back up, follow it right as it makes its way steeply up an incline to the leftmost portion of Funk Rock City.

Once we did this at the end of like 50 tries at finding this trail head, it was incredibly easy - but the directions were very cryptic. I'm not sure if it will warrant amending the directions, but to new-comers, it was unnecissarily difficult to find the crag and we ended up only having time for one route before we had to drive 7 hours home.

I have to say though, once we did find it--it was fantastic. We've been back twice since and it's been a great crag to try.

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PS. Please don't take my comments as snarky or anything. I just want the guidebook directions to be clear to people who've never been to the crags - as opposed to those that have been there with friends and know it cold. I think most of the directions are spot on, this one just seemed overly difficult for a relatively easy crag to find.

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