Looking for a GriGri

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Looking for a GriGri

Post by young'n climber » Tue May 17, 2005 6:54 pm

I lost mine at the gym almost a year and a half ago, and me and my dad are going out west this summer and i still can't really trust him on an atc(only cause hes a relatively new climber). So are any of you people looking to seel a grigri under maybe 60 or 50 bones?

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Post by krazykid » Tue May 17, 2005 10:29 pm

I bought my gri gri a year or so ago for $56 at the Self propelled outdoorsman shop. Contact them and find out if they still run the same deal. www.self-propelled.com
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Post by KD » Tue May 17, 2005 10:43 pm

krazykid - that's a cool site. Didn't know about them - thanks.

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Post by quicksilver » Fri May 20, 2005 4:40 pm

Just a thought.
Lots of accidents happen with Gri-Gris when the climber is being lowered off the route. Rap off routes when possible if you do not trust the belayers knowledge. I feel that a Gri-Gri is more dangerous than an ATC when used by an inexperienced climber. I know there is a lot of different opinions on this. I can tell you that most of the gym accidents I know of happened when a Gri-Gri was in use. I would take the time to get my belayer up to speed on any and all devices. Safety lies in practice and experience and not necessarily the type of device being used. Good Luck and have a great trip.
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Post by ynot » Fri May 20, 2005 7:30 pm

You coming this weekend Eathan? I can sell you mine.It never gets used.
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Post by young'n climber » Sat May 21, 2005 12:36 am

I'll be down for mem. day weekend all, but Sunshine has hooked me up via PM with a deal. Thanks to all though
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Post by marathonmedic » Mon May 23, 2005 2:48 pm

ynot wrote:You coming this weekend Eathan? I can sell you mine.It never gets used.
Damnit. I wish I would have known. There isn't a place anywhere down there to buy a Gri-Gri. I tried. Miguel's, nope. Matt's, nope. Marks, nope. I really wanted to buy one.
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Post by KD » Mon May 23, 2005 2:57 pm

the cinch thing by trango doesn't seem to handle as smooth as the gri gri as far as i'm concerned. i'm glad they made it though because it's good for petzyl to have competetion in that market - creates innovation.

i almost always rap off routes now - i used to lower all the time because i thought that was what you were supposed to do but rapping is a lot faster, easier, and safer most of the time.

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Re: Gri-Gri

Post by Alan Evil » Mon May 23, 2005 7:03 pm

quicksilver wrote:Just a thought.
I can tell you that most of the gym accidents I know of happened when a Gri-Gri was in use.
Have you ever thought that it might be worse if they were using an ATC since gymn accidents are more likely to be caused by stupidity than by the gear? Actually, would you please give some specifics about how gri-gris caused any accidents? I just don't believe the gri-gri is to blame.

Plus, what lowering accidents are you talking about? How could there be an accident lowering with a gri-gri unless it's threaded backwards and the belayer has passed out with her hands off the rope?

A reason I can see for using an ATC on lead is it's easier to quickly feed out rope for a clip, though with practice there is little difference. I'd still rather have a new climber feeding rope through a self-locking device rather than an ATC.

Something I've noticed around here is a general disdain for new climbers. Did you start climbing knowing how everything worked and what to use when? How to brake the rope through an ATC or even what an ATC was? Did anyone? Most climbers I've met are glad to teach people less experienced than they and know how to climb safely with newbs. For someone on their first times out, a gri-gri offers that little bit of back-up in the event you come off or they start to lower too quickly. The thing of it is, if you're out with a beginner you're going to start on some extremely easy routes, right? Give them a chance to learn how things work, won't make much of a difference if the rope is fed to you slowly, and most importantly, if the belayer loses control lowering you the thing will lock up. Teach them about an ATC on some future day. As long as the gri-gri is threaded properly it's idiot proof.
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Post by ynot » Mon May 23, 2005 8:45 pm

No its not idiot proof.
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Post by tomdarch » Mon May 23, 2005 9:39 pm

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Re: Gri-Gri

Post by marathonmedic » Mon May 23, 2005 10:54 pm

Alan Evil wrote:A reason I can see for using an ATC on lead is it's easier to quickly feed out rope for a clip, though with practice there is little difference. I'd still rather have a new climber feeding rope through a self-locking device rather than an ATC.
I picked up a new irrational fear this weekend. I'm afraid the rope will start to slip through my (new) belayer's hands while she uses an ATC to catch lead falls. I'm afraid the rope will start to burn her and she'll reflexively drop the rope. Now I'm seriously thinking about switching to a grigri.
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Post by young'n climber » Mon May 23, 2005 11:25 pm

Well tom d arch. do you prefer a gri-gri or an atc?
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Post by kdelap » Mon May 23, 2005 11:46 pm

the reason that the gri gri has safety concerns is because it is counter-intuitive. If something happens you should just let go; but you are also told to never take your hand off of the brake. So what happens in all of the lowering accidents is that people are instinctively just squeezing tighter except for the hand that is burning which is of course the break hand. The gri gri does have a statistically high number of accidents in gym situations. It is also used by most gyms. I would have to say that a gri gri is a more technical device and must be use by expert belayers only. Plate devices on the other hand are idiot proof… …let go and your buddy decks!

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Post by Paul3eb » Tue May 24, 2005 12:46 am

marathon: i would support the grigri decsion. but that's me. take the time and teach her. honestly, it only take a little while. or, if you don't feel ok with them lowering you on gri gri, rappel.

kdelap: not that i doubt your statistics but i would like to see them, too, out of curiousity. where could i find these numbers?
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